Rabbit hole (Omaha)
Date: 2012-12-10, 3:19PM CST
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I’ve read Sharter’s book and I think it is completely made up. I have also done some research on Sharter and understand that he claims to be an mkultra test subject with the mental ability to kill people with thoughts who is constantly hunted by the government and attacked with radio signals to avert him from using this superpower. Lolololol ok!

Location: Omaha
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My Reply…..

Rabbit Hole
Date: 2012-12-10, 3:28PM CST
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That is one of the stupidest arguments I have heard yet. Yes I was a victim of MKUltra- but I don’t have super powers of any sort.

You guy are an idiot. Anonymous as well- which also makes you a coward.

I doubt you read the book- and you obviously didn’t understand it if you did.

And being inundated with weaponry to shut me up happened- you just don’t have a clue as to what I am talking about.

Besides- what is your actual objective- cause I think you have ulterior motives in here- and you seem completely obsessed with me.

Better people read the book and decide for themselves.

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Then this was posted…

Book Guy
Date: 2012-12-10, 4:40PM CST
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I listened to a net radio broadcast put on by this Sharter(sp) a few months back.

It was very sad to listen to.

It sounded to me as though this was a middle aged man, destroyed by poor sexual choices in his youth, deciding to then create this huge fantastical story based on rumors and half-truths.

I remember that in addition to the mind control claims, he spoke of how he believed that for years the government had been injecting people into his life at verying degrees and how all of this was somehow responsible for multiple stints in mental facilities.

Big conspiracy? I cannot say that there was not with absolute certainty, though I must add that this stiry has been disproven on many levels multiple times.

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So I again responded…

Book Guy
Date: 2012-12-10, 4:57PM CST
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If anyone would like to listen to these recordings- you can get to them from my website- DavidShurter.com

I am in a relationship of 19 yrs and have a great life. Trying to make me something that I am not is just sad- esp. considering you have no clue who I am.

Obviously you didn’t understand the book- or what I was trying to say.

Thank GOD this is not my only venue- and judging from the sales of the book- this site doesn’t really matter in the scheme of things.

Then lastly…

Sharter’s book gave nothing factual to the reader but readily accessible and to date completely refuted allegations. The rest of the book is indeed quite the fictional account and survives only on the notion that nothing, no matter how ridiculous, can be 100% disproven.

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This, to me, is just another example of the smear campaign that has been going on concerning myself and Rabbit Hole- but at this point I am going to stop- because sad enough, the poster- in my impression, is desperately trying to sound smarter than they actually are.

Lately I seem to be getting reviews that have been more of a personal attack rather than relating anything useful, good or bad- about the book. This is sad, because I really would like to hear about what people think of what I said rather than who they think I am as a person, esp. considering the fact that they have never met me and have no idea what they are talking about. However, my mother always told me- good or bad- at least they are talking about me.

I can’t do anything about bad reviews other than ignore them- however, I just wanted to repost a comment that I left on the latest review of my mental health…

“The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge”… Stephen Hawkings

As far as me being crazy- I tell everyone that I am not crazy- I’m an a**hole (excuse my language), and there is a distinct difference. I CAN and DO form coherent thoughts and though they might not always agree with me, I have found people to find me anything BUT crazy. Determined, tenacious, unforgiving- but not crazy, and those who say so generally have some ulterior motive to dismiss me- which is EXACTLY what calling someone crazy is an attempt to do. Also- the PROFESSIONALS who actually see me on a regular basis have also determined that, although I have my issues like everyone else in the world, for the most part I am completely sane, which surprises them considering all that I have gone through. You can’t go through the torture and abuse that I experienced and not come out with scars, but all in all, I have overcome what I experienced in my past. But my point is, because of the extensive therapy I have gone through, I am pretty self-aware, and because I am also articulate- I am not going to stop trying to expose the events that occurred here in Omaha.

And that is my personal review of myself this morning.

There is a Native American belief that on your birthday you are supposed to offer your friend’s gifts, and so on this birthday I am offering the kindle version of Rabbit Hole: A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor’s Story for free for the day. check it out on Amazon!

I believe that Alisha is truly the only victim out of what I call the famous three with concerns to the Franklin fiasco- Paul Bonnaci, Troy Boner, and Alisha Owen. I knew Troy personally- and knew him to be a pathological liar, as well as being heavily involved with Alan Baer as one of his main “Baer boys”. I have always thought that these two- Troy and Paul- surrounded Alisha in order to quiet her- as she was the key to breaking all this years ago when she was carrying ex Omaha chief of police Robert Wadman’s baby as a minor. I think that Paul and Troy effectively played this girl in order to make her out to be a liar by being so out there themselves. I mean, historically it was Paul’s testimony to the Grand Jury that got ALL OF THE CHILD ABUSE COMPLAINTS DROPPED.

I have spoken with Alisha personally online and I think that it would behoove people to know that she despises John DeCamp and this belief that DeCamp was her hero is not an idea that Alisha adheres too. No, in fact she thinks that John DeCamp just took her money and then left her in the lurch. The ONLY TWO who have benefited from this mess is John DeCamp- and Paul Bonnaci- who won a million dollar suit. Whether he claimed a dime of that money is beside the point- the fact that these two are the only two who have benefited from this mess says a lot in my opinion.

Historically- everyone who came forward trying to expose this have ended up dead- like the prosecuting attorney Gary Caradori who had his plane blown up over Robert Wadman’s new jurisdiction in Illinois after Wadman left Omaha. I guess it is just a coincidence that Caradori’s plane disintegrated right over the place that one of the VERY PEOPLE HE WAS INVESTIGATING was employed as a police officer, allowing Wadman to be one of the first people on the site. No one who has a brain can bypass the specifics of this case- and it all boils down to one big cover up- by some of the people who are suppose to be CHAMPIONS FOR THE CAUSE.

The tales of Johnny Gosch have done quite a bit to distract people from what was going on in Omaha, but other than Paul, DeCamp, and Noreen Gosch- who has had contact with Johnny? No one that I know of- people think he is alive because these three say he is- and ONLY these three. Why would they continue this facade you ask? Because there is no statute of limitations on murder- and if it is discovered that Johnny Gosch is in fact deceased- these three are going to have A LOT of questions to answer. That is why I believe this whole fall out with Nick Bryant and Noreen Gosch- even though it happened 18 months ago- is relevant. He wanted to flush out Johnny- and of course the Gosch camp can’t allow that- as I believe there is no Johnny to flush out.

Last night the main people on Franklinfiles.net all said that they have been threatened over their involvement with the site. I think that this is bogus- and it makes them seem different than I have found them to truly be. They have done their absolute best to promote Noreen Gosch’s campaign and will openly attack ANYONE who speaks out against what they are saying. Franklinfiles.net is nothing more than a “sponge site” obtaining info from real victims in order to intimidate, trash, and ultimately quiet anyone who would speak out against the official stories presented by John DeCamp, Noreen Gosch, and Paul Bonnaci. This site is a testament to the fact that the propaganda machine is up and running smoothly in order to dictate and try to determine the course of this investigation.

I get asked this quite a bit, and so I figure that I should give some explanation as to what my objectives are in all of this that I am doing. Despite what others are saying about me bringing chaos to the situation, I am merely trying to get to the truth of what happened here. Why? Well, that is somewhat complicated.

I guess the most compelling aspect of all of this actually deals with one of the things I am being criticized the most about, and that deals with my spiritual convictions. You see, my father tried to come clean before he died and no one listened to him, so consequently, it became my responsibility- as I believe that the sins of the father fall upon the shoulders of the son. No one I know of has spoken about the things that I know to be true- and so therefore- since I am the only one talking freely about what REALLY happened in Omaha concerning the people who were also involved with Franklin Credit Union, I feel it is my responsibility to keep speaking out until people start to listen. How long is long enough and what determines success for me remains to be determined, however- I figure that if God wants me to spend a lifetime trying to expose this in order to bring light to the truth of what is running and directing our nation’s problems with child and human trafficking- then so be it.

Remembering is not always easy, and sometimes it takes me time to remember the names of people who were heavily involved, not because I have a problem with repression, but because we are talking thirty years back, and it is not always easy to recall specifics on events so old. However, I think that events in Omaha could be more connected to Penn State than anyone suspects right now- and it is my feeling that in all probability the same people who were involved here in Omaha could be involved with this case of child trafficking as well, so I feel obligated to keep rehashing the past in order to explain what was happening here in detail. Not because I am obsessed or anything, or that I am really looking for anything particular other than having my side at least considered- but rather, I feel a responsibility to this whole thing, esp. coming from where I do in all of this, not only to my father but, more importantly, to God. Evil prospers when good men do nothing, and in the end, we all have to answer to God for our actions and I have no intention of offering excuses to God; so therefore, I will do what I feel I must.

It took me a few days to recall this name- but I have been asked about the pornography that was being made in Omaha, and it occurred to me that not only was my brother Stephen involved in the snuff films at the Hollywood- but our family- and esp. Alan Baer- were connected with a woman in town named Nancy Bounds, who used to run a modeling agency here in town. In league with Alan, she was an oversexed, dark haired power-hungry woman who smoked incessantly- often making overt sexual advances on the clients Alan referred to her- all the while promising them a career as a model- or at least that was my personal experience with the woman. It was always promises of “Eden” that were given to get those involved who couldn’t be blackmailed, gotten into drugs, or prostitution. Nancy Bounds and her school for modeling was a front for much of what was going on here concerning the child pornography that was being manufactured here. Just as the old Godfather’s Pizza downtown was referred to as “the candy shop” as boys were paraded around and bought in the basement of the establishment under the guise of Stars Eatery, and how all the drugs and kids were trafficked in the basement bar of the French Cafe once called the Underground, and in what used to be a back room in the Antiquarium bookstore. I believe these things still matter because the truth still remains to be reached concerning all of the events that were happening here in this small town.

Why do I think that the spider web has extended into Penn State? Well, the same people dealt with each other in each instance, like Joe Paterno at the same ball that Larry King sang at for George Bush Sr.- and does anyone believe that all of these people risked their careers over ONE pedophile? The thought is ludicrous. Besides- look at Houston Texas during the same time of Franklin. There was a doctor who came out trying to expose the pedophilia that was happening at the time concerning young boys and such- but he “committed suicide” during his crusade and it was dropped- but this was happening in the late 80s- the same time that Franklin was going down. I think that this picture is MUCH BIGGER than any of us have an idea of- and though it can be contested whether it is the government, the Illuminati, the Freemasons- whatever- the point is that there is BIG MONEY in the selling of children for sex- and someone is making an untold amount of money off it. And the only way to stop it is to expose it, which is the reason why I won’t stop.

I am also always asked about proof. I believe it exists- in the form of satanically based child porn pictures that were obtained with the arrest and conviction of Larry King in Ocean City Maryland (not the same one involved with Franklin, but coincidentally a man with the same name). It is my personal belief that since my brother resided in Ocean City Maryland- which is were he died- that collection of pictures discovered two years after his death could be the very collection my brother always kept with him. It is definitely a coincidence that Larry King had in his possession the very type of pictures I KNOW my brother had, and they lived in the same town. I guess it is the timing that bothers me the most. But this is also part of the puzzle that I would like to figure out.

“I’m starting to get to a point where I’m not sure what to believe anymore.

I try to keep in mind that some of these people (yourself included) are victims of all of this. With that being the case I try to realize I can’t possibly put myself in any of your shoes and attempt to understand the manner in which some victims prefer to handle all of this.

I’ve said before I may not agree with your stance on everything, but at the same time your approach to all of this in terms of speaking out about it seems to be the most commendable one. It seems to me that you continually search for and attempt to provide as much info as possible. You do so without playing this “game of secrets” that seems to exist amongst other victims.

Now I realize it is easy for me to sit here and ask why wouldn’t all the victims – especially the known victims – come out, work together, and do everything they can to shed as much light on this issue to the general public as possible.

Why wouldn’t Noreen Gosch, Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owen, Eulice Washington, yourself and any others known to be victims (that I am not aware of) gather together as one voice that presses on so loudly people will be forced to report on your story one way or another?

In that regard I have a hard time understanding why a majority of you can’t come together in some manner and make your story known on a more national level. I realize the mainstream media and news outlets are controlled and even involved in the cover-up and/or pedophilia crimes themselves, but I would like to think there is some way the victims could still gather together and make this all known on a more mainstream level.

But then again, that may simply be frustration on my part because in truth I know it isn’t nearly as simple as I attempt to make it sound.

Nonetheless, I still have a hard time understanding why Noreen and her “team” wouldn’t come forth with as much info as possible. The same with Paul Bonacci and others.

If they want to put all of this behind them as best as possible for the sake of the own well being and to proceed on with the rest of their life in as much of a “normal” and happy state as they possibly can then by all means they have the right to do so.

When they try to hold that approach, however, while at the same time making little statements here and there on a scale that only reaches those who really attempt to follow this whole mess as much as possible (rather than reaching the masses) it becomes a matter of actions which stand in contrast to one another.

In regards to Johnny Gosch, he seems to be the only one amongst them who holds true to that. Assuming he is alive – like many claim – at least the word that comes out about him is that he has no desire to be in the spotlight, tell his story, and deal with everything that would follow if he ever did so.

And in that regard he seems to follow through with all of that. He doesn’t make that claim only to then pop on the scene here and there and then bemoan the fact people discuss the statements he makes. That I can understand.

What seems a bit odder though is that in kowing that is what Johnny wants why does his mother continue to press on with the case when she apparently knows full well her son apparently prefers it to all be left in the past?

But then again, as his mother – and apparently having had communications with him in the past if not still to this very day – I would have to assume she knows more about how he feels regarding the manner she proceeds with all of this then I do.

You seem to be the only person I am currently aware of willing to say something about all of this while at the same time realizing once you bring your story to the public it then becomes fair game for the public to comment on what you have to say – whether it be in favor of or against you.

No matter how much any victim may desire the public to see things “their way” it is something they will never be able to control. Noreen Gosch seems to have a very difficult time in understanding that reality.”

And My reply to this today… what you will find is that most of them are liars. that is why they don’t like to be asked about anything. It is hard to keep up on the lies. And the whole change to Franklinfiles.net is due to the fact that I have been using it for my blog. This vow of secrecy for them is more telling than anything.

Johnny Gosch is long dead. Ever heard anything about him from anyone other than Noreen and Paul? In 30 yrs? Wow- that is some hiding dont you think? no credit- no way of living- NO EVEN A JOB BEING REPORTED TO SOCIAL SECURITY. That is some deep hiding. Wonder- all these people who ‘help” him and NO ONE IS COMING FORWARD OR HAS. Wow- ever hear of a such a story like that? I havent.

take Paul B. out of the mix- and then explain to me exactly how an abduction in West Des Moines IA takes precedence over what occurred here in Omaha. It shouldnt- but since the great and powerful Paul B. says it is so- well then, we should just take him at his word.

Whatever those dumbfucks do in Franklinfiles.net doesnt matter to me in the least. But they cant HELP but give me stuff for my blog- which has about 150 people hitting it a day from all over the world.

I dont mean to be rude but I am an asshole and could care less about making friends with all of this. i have a great deal many friends- I dont need some names on my computer screen to express desire for me. So- with that- I will continue to do what I am doing and fuck anyone who doesn’t like it. (Excuse my profanity but come on- enough is enough and I have definitely had enough).

Then I Recieved this from a Completely Different Person… Showing me that I am not alone in my feelings….

The political machinations behind the scenes were, and are, the drivers of this story. I know DeCamp wants everyone to believe that he somehow stumbled into this sordid affair and because he is a man of conscience, he tried to obtain justice. None of that is true, and DeCamp admits as much in his updated account of the story. The Franklin Affair was handed to John DeCamp after the matter was thoroughly vetted by individuals with ties to the Intelligence Community. The primary source of information was a man who funneled things through the Lyndon Larouche organization. DeCamp found nothing. DeCamp won nothing for the victims. DeCamp received a seat in the NE Senate and some brief celebrity for his troubles.

What does the Lyndon Larouche Organization do? What are they? They are a political organization. Since the children/victims did not find justice, who (besides DeCamp) benefitted from exposing what was happening in this regard? Those questions are the ones that need to be answered in order to figure out the power structure behind these crimes.

As for Noreen Gosch. I suspect she is unable to live with her ghosts and unable to reconcile what happened. The only way for her to feel relevant is to have the attention focused on her. I believe this became about Noreen a long time ago. I believe this is what makes Noreen feel important: like she is cared about. Once this fades away and no one looks/asks any more she will feel irrelevant. Can you think of anything worse than that?

Looking2: Have you not called David crazy, Paul?

PAUL: No I have not

Looking2: And for your information, LukeJ has mocked David’s religion

Looking2: Paul, you called him crazy last time you were in this chat

Looking2: IG even had to tell you not to continue doing it

PAUL: No he has not… After David’sviolent attacks, Luke has stated that David has had mental break downs due to not staying on his medication

Looking2: I read it myself Paul. Actually I have copied and saved what it was LukeJ said about David. I will post it here if you or anyone else feels it is necessary

PAUL: Looking… I believe you are crazy and obsessed with “nothing and everything”.

Looking2: And there you go

Looking2: calling more people crazy

PAUL: and you with your constant attacks on Noreen? What is that

Looking2: constant attacks?

PAUL: in the past few days

Looking2: I made my thoughts known. And since then the only discussion I have had about it is in response to others addressing me about what I said

PAUL: you started the whole deal… Looking … a few days ago, the others only responded to your attacks on Noreen…LOL you need to go back and read what you wrote a few day ago which touched off this whole thing

PAUL: That is when this began

PAUL: And yes people called you out on it

PAUL: It was in chat for anyone to read

Looking2: I didn’t attack Noreen – you don’t realize how sensitive you guys are regarding certain things

Looking2: Yes, and I encourage everyone to read it

Okay- now for my thoughts on this. Correct me if I am wrong but ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS CONCERNING CHILD ABUSE GOT DISMISSED AFTER PAUL BONNACI’S PERFORMANCE- which can be seen in the British documentary Conspiracy of Silence on YouTube. The fact that this man is calling ANYONE crazy after what his mental state did to all of the child abuse allegations, (getting them ALL dismissed), is just funny to me. He was just too unstable to be believed- and this was OTHERS determination- not mine.

As far as “violent attacks” on Noreen- God I get sick of her being the only victim in all this. Noreen considers anyone who questions her load of bullshit an attack- and yet she can verbally attack anyone she deems a threat- which is anyone who doesn’t go along with her. As Paul said…. PAUL: No he has not… After David’sviolent attacks, Luke has stated that David has had mental break downs due to not staying on his medication… so my question is- how does a woman who has ONLY MET ME ONCE know anything about my personal life? She is telling people that I am heavily medicated- how would she know? Since I am NOT- my contention is that she is just saying this to try and discredit anyone from listening to me. She and the Franklin crew consider anyone who isn’t far up Noreen’s butt to be crazy-and anyone who would ask any questions is “attacking”.

This all started for me not with attacking Noreen- but deciding that Paul Bonnoci is a complete and utter liar- as I knew Troy Boner to be, (knowing him personally). My belief is that Troy and Paul surrounded Alisha Owen in order to screw with her and quiet her- since she was CARRYING EX POLICE CHIEF ROBERT WADMAN’S BABY AS A MINOR. But for the record, I don’t and never did think that Paul was crazy- I think that he is a LIAR AND AN ACTOR.

Unable to help talking about me even though I am banned and can not defend myself, I wanted to deal with some of the things that have been said about me today on Franklinfiles.net

Iowagurl,(Maureen gummert)…: I have never called David a single name and he had full license on this forum untill he went beserk on a long time member

This is true- but Maureen- as the web owner- has allowed everyone and anyone to criticize and trash me unabated- while I get shut down and kept quiet. However, this was not Maureen’s site to begin with- but rather the owner was a woman by the named of Rachel Bengly. SHE- as the owner of the site- personally attacked me- called me a pedophile- got my mine and my families social security numbers from my niece and gave them over the chat to Lukej/Noreen Gosch, have threatened me and accused me of being involved with murderers. I have had to call the police on this site NUMBEROUS times, esp. when I was told that I was going to be made to disappear on the site- all of which I have copies of.

Iowagurl/Marueen Gummert: David cannot blame Noreen for his ban and what person here, even if they do not like Mrs Gosch would publically accuse her of selling her son

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: which is what started this whole mess, lets not forget that

What started this was because I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT NOREEN GOSCH IS THE VICTIM SHE PRESENTS HERSELF TO BE. She has told me and others that her ex husband was involved with their son’s abduction- and then gets all angry when people wonder if she could have also been a part of it. The whole rift in this matter BEGAN actually when I started to question Paul Bonnaci- which is the whole connection for Noreen into the Franklin Scandal. It wasn’t that I accused Noreen of being involved with selling her son- which I DO BELIEVE FOR THE RECORD, but rather I began to believe that Paul Bonnaci was liar- in that he could tell you DETAILS about the Johnny Gosch case but can’t tell ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE about his own home town- where all of this was taking place. It was when I began to doubt Paul that Noreen suddenly took issue with me- which again- I HAVE COPIES OF.

CaptM: I think anybody that threatens sexual violence to another should be banned also
Looking1: CaptM – did you actually see David threaten anyone with sexual violence? Or is that simply what someone has told you?
CaptM: yes, I saw his message
Looking1: Is it saved somewhere?
Looking1: Yes, if it exists I will ask him about it myself
Looking1: My understanding is that someone claimed he threatened such a thing, but that he never did so.
CaptM: it is private, sorry, will not show any content
Looking1: IG, have you seen it?
CaptM: I am the only one that can verify.
Looking1: well then, you can understand how that can be questioned as valid, can you not?

This is just complete and utter bullshit from a member who HAS threatened me on line before- as well as ridiculing me as well. He has this proof that I threatened sexual violence on someone but can’t show the conversation- and that is because there isn’t any proof that such an argument exists because it NEVER HAPPENED. However, for Captn, he just says whatever sounds good.

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: and as I stated. David had free license since i took ownership of the site until the Marko incident which I believe was in September
Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: David and NOreens fallout happened several years ago and David needs to move on
Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: the discussion with Geo about the split of this forum with Nick bryant, whch happened 18 months ago was the catylyst of Davids accusation toward Noreen and her “selling: Johnny, how is that ok

the Marko incident is basically when I had the chance to defend myself against accusations of rape against me. Franklinfiles.net and people like Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert feel I should just take what is dealt to me and be happy that they didn’t do worse. I have had my privacy violated- I have been trashed verbally and in every way they could do damage to my reputation. These RANTS I go on- the only reason they call them rants is because I keep saying the same things over and over and over until someone starts to listen. Slowly that is happening.

And lastly- my favorite…

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: David sends his blog posts via email to everyone from CBS to the Nevada Iowa police department

True- but that is not what bothers them. What bothers them is that last night- when Capt accused me of making terroristic threats to rape people= I turned it into the police, specifically cold case detective John Pankonin. I mean- if I am threatening to rape people- that IS A SERIOUS CRIME AND THE ALLEGATIONS MUST BE LOOKED INTO. That is my opinion anyway.

THEN I GOT THIS EMAIL FROM IOWAGURL/MAUREEN GUMMERT TO ME AND DEPUTY JOHN PANKONIN…
Maureen

6:46 PM (9 minutes ago)

to me, Deputy
Lol! Nuff said?

Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone

SO I REPLIED……to Maureen, Deputy,

Not at all Maureen. And Deputy John isn’t working with me sweetie- I just send him this stuff cause he is a cop and he has responsibilities to the public.

But I tell ya what- I will finally sit down and start uploading all the info i have on my site. Once people see- like Deputy John here- that things aren’t quite how you make it out to be- then I think we might get some discussion from this. But since I have been threaten, lied about, called a pedophile- accused of making terroristic threats of rape, had my social security number and my famlies put over chat- and all over your defense of Noreen- which anyone who comes into the chat will see.

But I find it interesting that you contacted the police man today. lol Nuff said?

MAYBE MAUREEN WILL FIND DEPUTY JOHN TO BE MORE HELP THAN I EVER FOUND HIM TO BE. JUST SAYING.

CaptM: well, I sure wouldnt raise someone up that has threatened sexual violence to others in pm’s
Looking2: You’re telling me David Shurter has threatened to sexually abuse others?
CaptM: I think I was clear

http://www.franklinfiles.net/t51655471/anybody-know-about-this/
http://www.franklinfiles.net/t51729703/clearing-up-some-details/

There is also this assertion that I need to be heavily medicated, which I think would surprise both my therapist and my psychiatrist- who have determined that what I need is a small anti-depressant dosage, which helps take off the edge of my irritability. Why am I irritated? Because the arguments presented on the web concerning me are nothing but a smear campaign trying to discredit me. Connected to my sister Cindy’s family- they will do whatever they can to dig up dirt on me. Of course they are barking up the wrong tree there- as they will find that the stories change at will, and it is my intention to make ISSUE with this whole situation, since it has once again surfaced in Franklinfiles.net
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As far as Noreen’s issues with me- other than she thinks I am crazy- although I think that it is being suggested that I made sexual threats to her is just weird to me- but whatever. This side will say whatever it has to do to try and discredit me in any way that it can- instead of dealing with the issues that I present in my book. The other issue is my spiritual practice so I will try to spell it out quickly.

I am a practicing shaman- I DO NOT go to a shaman. I do not get my past from my journeys- and no one who reads my book will believe that my experiences all came from the outer realm. In fact- the info in boxes wasn’t written by me but rather an independent source that included the newspaper articles and documentation apart from any of my influence. As you can listen on my Talkshoe program with my interview with “jim”- anyone who was gay COULDN’T HELP but be part of Alan Baer and Larry Kings network- Proving my point that those who were involved with the investigation LEFT THIS OUT ON PURPOSE. There can be no other reason.

Looking3: Do you believe there are people paid to go on conspiracy themed forums and basically spout ridicule against those who provide info on real conspiracies?

Hmmm, I wonder- lol.

Serious accusations are being thrown my way by Captn on Franklinfiles.net so be sure you read until the end…

MobiusMan wrote:
I am more than willing to remove him from the site unless he changes his stance.

That seems about satus quo for this site. “Speak out against anything we tell you is the truth and we will remove you from the site.”

Meanwhile Noreen is allowed to spew her hatred against everyone, mistate things they have said, and have free range in regards to all of her actions without anything being done.

The biasness at this site and it’s blinded devotion to Noreen only hurts things surrounding shedding light on the Franklin case.

I can honestly tell you I was far more sympathetic to her situation and the fact people ridiculed her prior to being at this site and learning that her behavior brings it all upon herself.

I haven’t called her a nut or any other such names, yet I am the one being threatened with banishment from the site. Meanwhile Noreen has gone off with numerous insults against me and nothing – NOTHING – is said to her. In fact, all she gets is encouragement to keep on behaving in the awful manner she carries on in.

As for evidence Noreen, I haven’t demanded one shred of evidence. I don’t expect you to show me or anyone else any evidence. What I said is that if you aren’t going to provide it then why do you go on and on about how you posess all this information you can’t share? What purpose does that serve? All you do by stating such things is open the door for criticism to come you way – criticism which you clearly do not handle very well dispite the fact you bring it upon yourself.

As soon as anyone expresses a viewpoint that doesn’t fall in line with your own you go on an ugly rant about them. You call people names and then imply they are crazy, or wait, as it pertains to me I am of a “Diminished Mental Capacity.”

Tell me one name I have called you. Tell me one insult I have thrown your way.
I mean, heck, you even go off against people who are on your side at the mere thought of you miscontruing their intentions with things they say. You did this within the past week or so with geogaddi. You even eluded to thinking geogaddi may be working with or in favor of Nick Bryant and you quickly hopped on and dereided her for absolutely no good reason.

And in regards to “LukeJ” I don’t have any issue believing you have an investigator or mulitpile investigators on the case. I have accused you of using the “LukeJ” handle here as a cover for comments you sign on yourself and make. With that in mind I will be more precise in what I am claiming.

There may be some other person that posts using the LukeJ handle, but you have posted under that guise as well. Even your friend IowaGurl has let it be known that she used to think you were LukeJ. Numerous people in the past have stated the same thing.
And when David Shurter use to make the claim (when I was new to the site) I often asked why is he so hell bent on believing such a thing. I questioned him myself about it and regardless of his answer given I never believed he was correct in his assessment.
Well, over time I’ve come to realize that it is far more likely that you have, if not every time then at least on occassion, posted under the LukeJ persona.

It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the similiarities in tone and presentation between when you post as “Johnny’s Mom” and when you post as “LukeJ.” They are EXACTLY alike. You both make the same exact comments. You both go on the same exact tirades. You both have a short fuse that goes off at the slightest suggestion of someone saying they dare to question anything you’ve put forth regarding what happened to Johnny Gosch. And not only that, but you aren’t even clever enough to at least not switch to using the same font style and size when you post.

And on top of that LukeJ does not compose himself like a professional investigator in the slightest. He loses his cool far too quickly. He makes statements that no investigator would bother making on a public forum while partaking in an investigation – or likely at all.

Heck, he spends so much time here to begin with it leaves me wondering when is he doing his investgation to begin with. It makes zero sense that a private investigator would do all this investigating that he prefers be kept solely between himself and his client only to then go on a public forum and make little mention of things here and there. The fact he would come here and discuss anything about the case is ridiculous enough.

I am not the only person who has noticed this. Neither is David Shurter. There’s people you (or LukeJ) have spoken to which believe this, they simply don’t come forth and say it to you.

So yeah, might there be some investigator that the “LukeJ” persona is based upon? Sure. Might this mystery investigator have signed on as “LukeJ” at this site before and maybe even made posts at times? That’s not hard to believe either. But that’s not the point. The point is you have posted as LukeJ and used that handle on the chat box plenty of times.

So again, why don’t you keep that in mind before you rant and rave about people posting as “ANON” (again, that is despite the fact I made it known who I was in the chat. IG can back me on that if she so chooses).

And even worse is that as soon as I come forth and state clearly who I am within this post I am than threated with being removed from the site because you guys don’t like what I have to say? Is that really how things work around here? If that’s the case then this site shouldn’t be trusted for much of anything.
How many people have already been run off of here because of issues directly related to Noreen anyway?

And again, tell me one insult I have thrown your way since you have clearly thrown numerous ones at me despite the fact you know far less about me then I know about you (whether you like it or not Noreen, you are a public figure. That’s not to say I know you well, but I certainly know more about you than you know about me).

I haven’t called you a single name. All I have done is openly express my thoughts about things while also stating my belief that if nothing else you have posted as LukeJ on this site at times. And I’ve given the reasons why I believe that to be the case. I’d love to know how that warrants me being considered for banishment from the site for any reason.

Noreen and Paul Bonacci have gone and dismissed EVERYTHING David Shurter discusses about this case and yet they are always more than welcome here at Franklin Files. They are treated like “untouchables” within this community. They have flat out called him crazy. Noreen (and/or LukeJ) have mocked his religious beliefs. And not only that, but they have claimed the ordeals he has suffered to be totally false. That he has made every last bit of it up.

If anyone dared to say the same about Noreen or Paul Bonacci they’d quickly be run of the site. I’m being threatened with that very thing simply because I’ve openly stated my throughts regarding certain things here – namely the LukeJ being Noreen thing.
I haven’t doubted her story. I haven’t claimed she is a liar (regarding things about the Johnny Gosch case). I haven’t called her crazy or partaken in any name calling. Yet for some reason I am a “bad” guy all of the sudden because I dared to say something that doesn’t fall in line with devotion to and “pro-Noreen” stance this site clearly holds.

AND WHILE I WAS READING THIS- THIS WAS THE CHAT IN THE ROOM AT 1112 PM ON FRANKLINFILES.NET FROM A MODERATOR… JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT I AM TRULY DEALING WITH

CaptM: well, I sure wouldnt raise someone up that has threatened sexual violence to others in pm’s
Looking2: You’re telling me David Shurter has threatened to sexually abuse others?
CaptM: I think I was clear

This abuse accusation comes from my niece Melissa at the same time Mark was accusing me of raping them- she told everyone on Franklinfiles.net that I called and left a message on her answering machine threatening to rape her then three year old daughter- (who lived in Seattle at the time), if she didn’t stop Mark on his rant. I DID call her- and was incredibly angry- but never ONCE did I threaten any kind of abuse- let alone to travel 3000 miles in order to stalk and rape her daughter. However- this was in the EXACT time frame when Mark got on claiming abuse. Again- I HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THIS. Again- this happened at a time that I was banned- much like tonight- when Capt- who HAS threatened me with violence, albeit through lame innuendos- tonight proclaimed on the chat that I was some sort of sexual deviant. And correct me if I am wrong but I think he suggested I threatened sexual violence against Noreen Gosch. Can I hear a big EEEWWWWWWW? Again- this is being said in a way that I can’t defend myself except on my blog and my never ending email list.