I am posting this group of Amazon arguments since Amazon won’t let me defend myself on their website- although they allow me to be bashed continuously. I felt that this group of exchanges is important- and so I wanted to put it on my blog for posterity. I am NOT the only one who got banned- as Gaston, Douglas, Jennet Bartha, and even CritThink over and over have been banned all along- it is just that Critthink keeps making changes to his/her account and signs back on with a different name. I wont play such games. However, it is obvious that this group needs to create as much hoopla as they can- and so I thought I would help them by putting the stuff on my blog for them for the world to see.)

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ac2012 says:
Felicity Lee: “Oh….. we need ‘proof’ here -”

Yeah, that’s kinda how accusing someone of mass child molestation and murder works. It requires ‘proof’, not the conviction of your belief based on what you read in 22 Faces.

Felicity Lee: “but, on the book ‘Sybil Exposed’, you all swear that every word written by an incompetent and agenda driven journalist is ALL true without being able to present a shred of evidence.”

Haven’t mentioned Sybil Exposed or Debbie Nathan, because I haven’t read it. I’d tend to trust her professionalism and logic more than yours or Byington’s – see Karmakazes post below on how she used credible first hand sources. You do seem to have a special hate for Debbie Nathan, don’t you?

Felicity Lee: “Well, here we a book written by the author – taken from first hand accounts of Jenny –

Take your own advise and do your own research.”

We see on the Dr. Phil show Jenny stating the she knew nothing about a mind-control Nazi. So ‘first hand account of Jenny’ is highly suspect. No doubt Byington explains this away as an alter and a repressed or twisted memory, a convenient mechanism for Byington to weave and support her own ridiculous fan-fiction inspired by Corydon Hammond.

Give me passports, credible eyewitnesses, court records, property records, receipts and physical evidence of Dr. greenbaum’s proximity to Jenny Hill (never mind his actual existence).

Felicity Lee: “And, quite frankly – my dear – my personal thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are just that – MINE.”

Uh huh. They’re YOURS and that’s what – A basis to accuse people of vile crimes? Good enough to imprison innocents?

Felicity Lee: “It is another ‘skeptic’ type of attack – as if ‘you’ have the power to ’cause’ people to think people who believe any of this are not credible?”

The evidence (or lack thereof) stands on its own. It doesn’t require ‘me’ (ugh, now I’m overusing single quote marks), and of course I have no power to make people believe something they don’t want to.

” – ac2012 – Aleister Crowley2012 – I get that profile name – good fit.”

Oh, this again! Cry witch, Goody Lee, and the pitchforks shall follow!

Felicity Lee: “Yes, I am realistic. You have no power here. Your pointing out whatever you can find in this book – out of context – in a lame attempt for others to judge people by their beliefs only demonstrates that those very small and out of context statements are ALL you have to try to silence this book – not much at all – when you take a look at the list.”

Um, the list is only the surface. They’re the most glaring and obvious problems with 22 Faces. And yeah, that list is more than enough to deem 22 Faces a worthless crock.

Felicity Lee: “the list actually demonstrated your inability to objectively review written work, you ignorance and/or knowledge of cultural/ritual/spiritual life – as well as you prejudices.”

I’m fairly well-read and knowledgeable on spiritual/ritual/cultural matters. I’m pretty sure I can objectively examine a claim in 22 Faces. I’ll admit to being biased against raving lunatic conspiracy thought, but as I’ve said many times, give me solid evidence to the contrary and I’m happy to admit error.

Felcity Lee: “It is not your business what others believe or think.”

Crimes are a public concern. If Judy Byington believes a mass governmental Freemason satanic murder cult is roving the land, she’s perfectly entitled to believe it – she IS NOT ENTITLED TO HAVING IT GO UNQUESTIONED OR UNCHALLENGED. If Judy Byington wants me to believe Jenny Hill’s parents have been involved in their crimes and should be jailed, it IS MY BUSINESS as a US citizen. I have an interest in our justice system working properly and protecting abuse victims and the falsely accused.

You’re trying to equate 22 Faces with a religious belief. That makes zero sense.

Felicity Lee: ” well, what about the rest of the book – huh? “You have been here nearly a year and have talked about only this small list – I will take it that the rest of the book is great”

See above. That list is enough to deem 22 faces invalid. And there’s much better horror fiction out there, so if ‘the rest of the book’ means writing style, plot, characterization, themes – sorry, not my cuppa, but you go ahead and enjoy it.

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Felicity Lee says:
There goes the spinning again – not effective enough with just CT/Altus/sock puppets, we now have Karmakaze – cohort and Doug Mesner follower of Satanic Temple – sidekick.

CT – needing some help spinning these ‘pink elephants’ –

Reality-check – I asked for just one copy of anything from those 500+ sources listed in the book by Nathan – and, guess what – you all could not even produce ONE – not very convincing – that book is a fraud.

You all are hypocrites – thinking that you can con us into believing that book does not need to have ‘evidence’ produced, but this one does – that author – Debbie Nathan has such a long history of her ‘past’ inconsistencies and her agenda – we are supposed to ignore that – and, attend to this author and the slander that you have no evidence of either – except what you have tried to exploit.

You all are too much –

I think that they readers can make their own conclusion based on what they read and not what you all have to say – all we know about you all is that you come here and on other books as alias’ and try to influence what people think based on your agenda’s – so, like we are supposed to believe ‘you all’ as ‘skeptics’ – why? You come with gossip, slander, agendas, and are vindictive toward anyone who makes logical sense.

You are clearly threatened by accepting the truth.

Truth is – and, one day you will realize – all of us are ‘not’ your enemy. I, for instance, am simply a person who tries to do what I can to support survivors of child abuse and promote truth concerning trauma and dissociation. I am one who is a survivor of childhood trauma – and, as I see you all, you have somehow come to believe that child abuse is either not ‘real’ in our society or you are trying to hide the fact that it is a real problem for purposes of allowing it to continue unchecked. This angers me – as children go missing daily, survivors struggle because of what abusers have done to them – unable to get quality care – because of the garbage you and other ‘false memory advocates’ have spread. If what you write contained even an ounce of truth – we could have an intellectual discussion, but you are ignorant or hiding the truth – and, we can only suspect why. You want to discredit me and other survivors – attacking, slandering – accusing us of being something whom we aren’t – why?

Are you seeing a problem here? I am ‘no one’ who you think I am.

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CritThink says:
Nope. You’re not my enemy. You’re the enemy of women like Jenny Hill. Vulnerable people who pay you for your lies.

Team up with a man, Kevin Annett, who reabuses the sexually abused and give this man access to the women of Ivory Garden through Judy’s influence and on Judy’$ CAR website (which she has posted about here) where you are a speaker. Try and get women to live in even more fear so that you can “help” them.

This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them

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BlueMoon says:
CritThink,

Felicity explained to you that she and certain other customers here that believe you’ve been attacking, slandering, harassing and bullying them, are not your enemies as a means to try to appease and calm you down, And your response to that is to write: “None. You’re not my enemy. You’re the enemy of women like Jenny Hill. Vulnerable people who pay you for your lies.”????? Really? This is really your response to an olive branch being extended to you?

In one breath you claim you’re not Felicity’s enemy, but also sting her with a vile false claim. What’s up with that?

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BlueMoon says:
Felicty wrote: I, for instance, am simply a person who tries to do what I can to support survivors of child abuse and promote truth concerning trauma and dissociation. I am one who is a survivor of childhood trauma.”

I can see from many of your comments that this is who you are, and I applaud you for all of this, Felicity.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 1:32:44 PM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
Wrong again, CT – I am not an ‘enemy’ to anyone – even though you ‘perceive’ me that way.

What is a CAR website – I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a ‘speaker’ anywhere. More spinning and lying from you – again.

I am not ‘teamed up’ with anyone – and, you know that as you expressed clearly on Randi.org many months ago –

You say, “This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them.”

Wow – I had no idea that you gave this book that much credit – pretty powerful book – in your mind. I read it as a simple story of a woman’s experiences – hmmm.

And, I have a ‘coalition’ – really – wow, I am also powerful – in your mind. A clear threat to you and your need to protect and defend those ‘innocents’ who are accused of child abuse.

I say that “my personal thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are just that – MINE”.

ac2012 responds, “They’re YOURS and that’s what – A basis to accuse people of vile crimes? Good enough to imprison innocents?”

Now, we are getting somewhere. Here, we see the agenda – as my responses are now getting to the ‘supposed’ debate you believe you are ‘in’ here and are so obsessed with. What? Do you know a few folks out there imprisoned for child abuse or who were ‘falsely’ accused? And, based on those ‘few’ (as compared to the millions of children who ‘have/are being ‘ abused), you have concluded that all survivors and abused children ‘must be liars’ – and thus attack them ruthlessly – as you have here. When no evidence or facts – just make stuff up – right?

You say, “Team up with a man, Kevin Annett, who reabuses the sexually abused and give this man access to the women of Ivory Garden through Judy’s influence and on Judy’$ CAR website (which she has posted about here) where you are a speaker. Try and get women to live in even more fear so that you can “help” them.”

Those are complete lies. Why do you need to lie about me – does it somehow justify your attacks on me and other survivors? Relieve your inner guilt that you are hurting others? I am just trying to understand the ‘whys’. Of course, my attorney tells me that trying to give a ‘reason’ for why people do horrible things is not necessary – libel is libel – end of story.

Are you actually telling me that ‘you’ all are here to protect the folks who participate on Ivory Garden – oh btw – the percentage of male and female there are about even – wrong again. And, how were you going to do that? By calling ‘survivors’ of child abuse liars – as if they are all out to destroy their abusers? You are ignorant – as usual.

I see this as you being a group of folks who are ‘not’ skeptics, but who have either been charged with child abuse or are afraid you might be – and/or have had family members/friends charged with child crimes. You are a very small, but now angry group here. I see you as folks who search the internet for anything that ‘meets’ your agenda.

I am not disagreeing with you. I am sure that there are folks who have been unjustly accused of child abuse – of course. And, that is horrible – when it happens.

What I don’t understand is why people like you want to give yourself that extra edge – though. Discrediting therapists – stating that they can actually ‘implant memories’, trying to influence jury pools by propagating that there is no such thing as this or that ‘type’ of child abuse – all the ‘false memory advocates’ promote – like Debbie Nathan, writing a book trying to ‘prove’ that the ‘Sybil’ story has no truth – that Jenny’s story is untrue – access her family to influence them that she was never abused – all of these lies you tell. Why do you need this ‘extra edge’, if folks are really ‘innocents’. It sounds like you are ‘running scared’.

I mean, I have faith that good therapists are able to and do evaluate clients knowing if their stories are ‘true’ or not – and, in fact – in trials of child abuse, the defense will use their own therapist to help defend (those who call themselves ‘experts’ in DID, or ‘false memory syndrome therapists. Of course, FMSF therapists are not accused of ‘implanting memories’ – how hypocritical are we getting now. None of it makes sense – except that not all are so innocent as you believe.

As for survivors – you cannot be trusted. You cannot ‘help’ anyone – because, you are biased and agenda driven. You ‘do’ nothing – but, talk a lot – and try to ‘influence’.

Look what you are doing now – trying to get your hands on some 1,000 survivors – so you can what? Save them from ‘me’ – because I am ‘grooming’ them and taking advantage of them? Sorry – hon – these folks are strong as me – they ‘are’ survivors – if I were taking advantage of anyone, it would not be a secret – I am sure that you would have found some sign of this through your trolling.

So, now – again, I ask that you stop lying about me – because, it makes you look like fools –

Do you really believe the hogwash you have drowned this page in?

The system needs to be set up where the ‘abusers’ get a fair trial – those who are innocent, go home – those who are guilty are put away. The system needs to be set up where survivors and victims are not silenced for fear they will be called ‘liars’, or that good therapists will ‘implant memories in their brain’ or, for gosh sakes, ‘create’ alters – where the public has access to ‘correct’ information about trauma and dissociation – not garbage propagated by those who profit from defending child abusers.

Fact is that most survivors do not ever ‘accuse’ their abusers at all. They are just trying to heal from the harm done to them.

What is wrong with you people? You are so threatened that you will actually argue the points that I have made – *shrugs*

Now, we have a discussion – why are you so threatened by this book and/or me/survivors?

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BlueMoon says:
CritThink wrote: “This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them.”

Why couldn’t you have just written, “I believe this book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims and take advantage of them”, instead of what you did post?

This would have been an opinion I could and would have respected, had you written that. I wouldn’t have agreed with it, but it would have been seen as your opinion, without offending or wounding other customers of Amazon.com, and without provoking others to have to defend themselves. Perhaps you should reconsider how you respond to comments you read, or how you express yourself in general? It’s just a thought, CritThink, and the choice is yours, of course.

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Posted on Aug 20, 2013 1:56:26 PM PDT
ac2012 says:
Felcity Lee: “And, based on those ‘few’ (as compared to the millions of children who ‘have/are being ‘ abused), you have concluded that all survivors and abused children ‘must be liars'”

I have come to no such conclusion. I have never made any such statement. You are making that up.

Felicity Lee: “- and thus attack them ruthlessly – as you have here.”

Please show where I have attacked survivors and abused children. I have never done so and never would.

Felicity Lee: “When no evidence or facts – just make stuff up – right?”

That seems to work for you and Judy Byington.

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Felicity Lee says:
ac2012 – are you actually stating that you – and/or your cohorts/sockpuppets – Karmakaze/CritThink/Doug Mesner (Lucien Greaves) have NEVER attacked (slandered, invaded their privacy, lied about them, called them names, etc) survivors here or elsewhere on the web? Really – on this page, right here, I could list at least 25 examples, I can give even more explicit examples of here on Amazon – if not still here (not removed by Amazon) – screenshots, and elsewhere on the web. You are standing by this example of ‘running scared’ statement you just wrote – “Please show where I have attacked survivors and abused children. I have never done so and never would.”

If you are concluding that I only meant you – well – you have, but the response was to all of you – and, you know it. You are no better than the rest of them – you consort with them to find ways to come here and attack – just like all abusers do – you know that.

I actually think that I have quite an extensive list already made from about 6 months ago when I was asked to provide it.

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Felicity Lee says:
ac2012

You wrote, “That seems to work for you and Judy Byington.”

Is that what is considered a ‘snide’ remark?

I agree with Bluemoon – why was that so necessary for you to write? All it does is demonstrate you middle school attitude and inability to carry on any semblance of an intelligent discussion.

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Felicity Lee says:
BlueMoon,

Thank you – they have me like doing all of this stuff with all of these people whom I don’t even know – what?

How the heck am I supposed to have time for all of that. If I weren’t such a fast typist, I wouldn’t have time to come here.

I mean, I work, have a family, crochet and do crafts, have a house/yard, etc. to care for, an active message board to run – sheesh – they might perceive me as ‘super-woman’, but not really. With what I do now, I only have time for about 4 hours sleep – and, now they have me actually flying somewhere – not sure about all that stuff – just speed read – don’t have time to attend to their details.

Wow – if I did believe anything they say, I would now be a Satanist and an incredible ‘multi-tasker

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BlueMoon says:
ac2012 wrote: “Please show where I have attacked survivors…”

I don’t believe anyone is interested in re-posting the attacking comments they’ve received from you, those comments don’t deserve anymore attention then what they’ve gotten already. Nice try, though, ac2012.

As I’ve suggested to CritThink recently, perhaps you should reconsider how you respond to comments you read, or how you express yourself in general? It’s just a thought, ac2012, and the choice is yours, of course.

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BlueMoon says:
Felicity wrote: BlueMoon, Thank you -…. “Wow – if I did believe anything they say, I would now be a Satanist and a true ‘multiple.”

You’re welcome, Felicity, and I understand what you’re saying here. Stay strong in knowing who you are. : )

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Karmakaze says:
Felicity Lee says: <>

I can’t speak for ac2012, since that user is NOT me (or Doug Mesner, or CritThink, or anyone other him/herself), but YES, that is exactly what I am stating.

I have never attacked (slandered, invaded their privacy, lied about them, called them names, etc) survivors here or elsewhere on the web. Your “examples” show only that you’re incapable of understanding what an *attack* actually is.

And since you seem to need a reminder, it was you and your cohort who DID invade someone’s privacy by posting his full address and phone number here on Amazon, while accusing that person of being/”protecting” pedophiles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/6789/obnf.jpg

(Gaston- who this was aimed at- was alson ONE OF THEM WHO GOT THROWN OFF AMAZON AND BANNED. It wasn’t just me who was fighting on here. and like I said- I just Googled his name and that is what came up. )

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CritThink says:
I was there that night. Felicity was urging the party along. She even declared it was not a violation…she checked. In addition David was supplied that info, which appears it had to be purchased…hmm.

Felicity…you ‘should’ get more sleep as both screen names are lapsing into the same voice…at least BM sounded a little different before, now it’s the same sentence construction and tone from both names. It’s the let me set the rules on conduct BS you’ve tried before. Ivory Garden tactics feeding over? Just don’t let BM start using ‘these’…then we’ll know you’re really losing sleep.

Again- not purchased like Critthink- Doug Mesner would like to suggest- but suddenly after all of this- MY address suddenly appeared on Google- which makes me wonder if this group didn’t put it up there like the BANNED Gaston)

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Karmakaze says:
BlueMoon says: << Felicity's name doesn't appear anywhere in the images, therefore, >>

Please, Felicity was encouraging the whole thing and bragging about the “research” she herself was doing:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6536/nrz0.jpg

edit: looking at the screenshot, it’s sad how little has changed – you and Felicity are still creating diversions, trying hard to stifle any discussion of this book by making the same ridiculous accusations.

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Felicity Lee says:
Wow, you folks are amazing – wasn’t I the one just speaking – was it my turn? I agree with BlueMoon – you say that ‘we’ are creating ‘diversions’ – really – and, you put up one little incident – out of context – as usual – out of thousands of posts I have made and keeping my cool through all of your attacks. Same strategy of picking a few sentences from 22 Faces – and, acting as if they ‘are’ the whole book. That is really tacky and lacks intellectual thought.

You remember the playground talk – the bully who can’t take responsibility and diverts attention from their crimes on to some poor victim. yeah – you know about them – don’t you -K?

Now, shall we talk about the attacks you have laid on me – K? You in particular – I mean, people can view this past week alone – here, but have they heard about your intrusion into my grandchild’s life – you – a man having some reason to find a facebook linked to my family – which I have had to have removed, because you invaded my family’s privacy – and published a video of my granddaughter – one which had been played through – one where she was dancing (13 yo) and, that is not an attack? I was shocked and upset – seeing how you protect child abusers – yikes – and, her family was even more upset and scared for their daughter. You said that because it was public – that was your right. The thing is that you have no right to invade my private life and publish it – and, I can put up screenshots – yes – Amazon did delete all of that, because it is against their TOS to publish people’s personal stuff – and, you broke copyright by posting information from our board – wow – that all had something to do with this book -didn’t it?

I am not here to argue with you – you will find anyway to divert attention to you all -as if you are the ‘good guys’ –

Tell me – exactly what do you ‘consider’ an attack?

Can you think of any more attacks – K – . This is a contest – isn’t it – I mean, I don’t know – I am feeling a bit like the victim right now. You have all been asked to think before you respond – but, you can’t – can you?

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Taking the pictures off the internet- this group of Amazon trolls now wants proof that the whole situation with Doug Mesner/Misicko happened. Although this was removed- I kept this post to show what I am speaking about…

“Ac2012 says:

Oh, Felicity, please, do present that piece of parchment written in blood that says that Doug and CritThink are the grand poobahs of the unholy church of Lucifer. Or maybe some records. A member list? That ‘public grave ritual’ – maybe you have pictures, or an article not written out of whole cloth by some unscrupulous ‘therapist’ thoroughly invested in satanic ritual abuse? A tax- exempt filing?

What’s that? You have nothing? Why am I not shocked?”

First off, most satanists, in my opinion, are nothing more than sexual deviants who like to get off anytime they can- with anything they can. As such- NO DOCUMENTATION is ever done. No one is keeping notes- no one is documenting- certainly NOT the children who are generally involved- and so to claim that there is no documentation is a no-brainer, but doesn’t negate that these activities exist.

Secondly- the whole Westboro grave site ritual in which Doug Mesner/Misicko, as Lucian Greaves, teabagged the grave stone for the Westboro minister’s dead wife in order to make her gay was documented not by an “unscrupulous therapist” but rather by the Huffington Post, who published the pictures online. Like most satanists I have encountered- there is a discrepancy as to what the truth of the matter is regarding the whole thing- so just for posterity I will publish the pic that Mesner has desperately tried to remove from the internet…

As you can see for yourselves- this event DID IN FACT HAPPEN, and just as you can see that the satanists involved (ac2012’s name is actually Alister Crowley 2012- famed dead satanist whose followers have designed a website with the same name), they will lie and deceive in order to change the truth to fit what they need it to be. Rewriting history to fit their needs, this group of trolls- who have an obvious allegiance to the little boy satanist Mesner/Misicko, will do anything they can to defame and lie- even though there is photo documentation out there to show that this event- designed to turn the Westboro minister’s dead wife gay in the afterworld, did indeed happen. If this group would lie about such obvious things- WHAT ELSE COULD THIS GROUP LIE ABOUT?

Mesner/Misicko is trying to publicly take the place of REAL satanist Col. Michael Aquino- who is far from the joke that Mesner is. Head of a REAL satanic cult Temple of Set- Aquino is a child killer and grand master of pedophilia- and I will do everything I am able to keep focus on the REAL culprits of satanic worship and child abuse and keep it from boys who simply can’t help but expose themselves when the national media is focused on them. Satanists such as Aquino hide in the shadows, for it is deep in the shadows that these crimes against children are happening, and it is people like Aquino who need to be exposed instead of merely Mesner’s privates. Making themselves out to be “skeptics”- this group of Mesner loving, false memory pedophile protector trolls on Amazon and Facebook are doing nothing more than wasting survivor’s time and energy making jokes out of abuse and trashing those of us who would come forward and expose it by claiming that WE are the liars- publicly FLAUNTING their misgivings online by denying that the events never took place. Judging by the enclosed picture- you can see this is a fallacy- that Mesner/Misicko- spokesperson for the False Memory Foundation, did in fact show his “manhood” in a weird satanic ritual while stating that satanism, and ritualistic abuse, doesn’t exist. Well- I assure you it does- and I just wanted to prove what liars this side is.

In my book Rabbit Hole, I speak about a low level player by the name of Peter Citron, a columnist for the Omaha World Herald, who went to jail for pedophilia during the “incarceration” phase of the Franklin Credit Union cover up. My mother’s best friend when they worked at the Sun Times, he was instrumentally involved with our family, and not just a little bit involved with what was going on here in town regarding the prostitution and trafficking of young boys. Anyway- my mother had broken contact with him throughout the years and so when he was dying and petitioning the courts to let him out of jail because he was failing with AIDS, I just assumed he died in jail.

This is not true however. Funny, my book is getting people in town talking again- and when they find out that I am the author of Rabbit Hole- I often am honored to have people tell me their stories and what THEY knew of the time- as much of it was in your face. So in this whole process, it has come to my attention that in the end- Peter Citron was labeled a suicide. Getting out of jail and returning home, it seems that this man decided to DRINK DRANO as a way to kill himself, at least according to authorities, although word on the street is that most I’ve talked to believes it was a mob hit and that the man was murdered to silence him. Just like all the rest.

Nick Bryant has written a book- and from what I understand- is going around making himself out to be the authority on Omaha, which I think is laughable. An out-of-towner is not going to get to the truth of the matter here- and it has been my experience that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. His book talks about DEAD PEOPLE and people who can no longer be held ACCOUNTABLE- which I think is telling all in of itself, but it lacks all counts of the truth. It DOESN’T deal with the MKUltra being done at the local air force base, it DOESN’T deal with the satanism that was occurring out at Hummel Park and the efficient disposal system they had at Forest Lawn, nor does it deal with the gay bar scene and all of the child trafficking that was taking place, as well as the massive amounts of the prostitution of boys. Many, MANY levels of the truth have been edited and left out- and when questioned- Bryant blames being afraid of others as a reason, that there are factions that he didn’t want to upset. Considering all that I have done and said- I am ample proof that the “bogeyman” of Omaha is no more and that people can, AND ARE, taking about it and telling their stories SAFELY now- proving Bryant to be far from the expert he proposes himself to be. People are talking again- making THEM the authority and not some hack who redid a book by John DeCamp and then has the audacity to go discrediting him. In my opinion- you can’t have it both ways.

Things in Omaha are all coming to light- and the more that people talk- the more that the truth will come out. That was my hopes in all this all along- and is the whole reason why I wrote Rabbit Hole- A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor’s Story in the first place.

There is this huge misconception that anyone who suffers from DID (dissociative identity disorder), once referred to as Multiple Personality Disorder, must have gone through governmental mind control or some sort of satanic abuse. This simply is not true, but this idea is pushed by members of the false memory pedophile protection squad such as Debbie Nathan in her last two chapters in her book “Sybil Exposed” which she entitled “Contagion” and “Containment”, where she flat out insists that Sybil- whose case happened 10 YEARS! before America had it’s problems with satanic ritual abuse, caused what the false memory people have deemed “satanic panic” although Sybil NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VICTIM OF SUCH ABUSE. Claiming that memories of ritual and sex abuse are generally fabricated, this attempt to dismiss DID is one in which the baby is thrown out with the bathwater- and as a skeptic, I must look at this critically and wonder why such preposterous theories are being promoted when DID is, unfortunately, rather common.

It has been shown that out of all institutions we have as a society, the FAMILY is commonly the most violent- and continued and prolonged trauma has devastating effects on the child living through it. Dissociation begins because the child becomes desperate to separate themselves from the abuse- and pretending that it is happening to someone else is COMMON for self survival. Taken to extremes, this behavior breaks the child’s identity into separate compartments, which is the way an abused child safeguards themselves. Sexually acting out, drug and alcohol addiction, and a myriad of physical and emotional ailments are generally a result of such abuse- as the adult does everything thing they can to avoid looking back at the abuse and so they do what they can to escape the violations they suffered when they were vulnerable. Of course- you don’t have to be suffering from DID for this to be true- as I only suffer from severe post traumatic stress disorder- which is another lesser point on the continuum of identity disorders and dissociation, and I DID go through MKULtra training and satanic ritual abuse- which shows again that the effects are personalized and reactions to severe, ritualistic stress and trauma are different for every child involved.

Comparing one’s trauma to another is like comparing apples and watermelons- as trauma is trauma for those experiencing it. Those who suffer from DID simply had a different way of coping with the abuse they experienced from childhood- as you can only develop DID as a child. A coping mechanism for those of us who have suffered through great trauma- this could include constant beatings, constant rape- or any type of violent ritualistic behavior that has to be dealt with daily during the formative years of our development. Dissociative disorders are often INDICATIVE of BAD PARENTING- and we all have to keep this in mind when considering such things, which is why the false memory pedophile protection squad is out to destroy victims while safeguarding the abusers- all while they try to discredit such things as DID in the media and such.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_finds_missing_teens_in_cities_rWk8PqexkrcEztOyr3dhVP#.Ugdl61Jh0qU.email

This article has several points of interests for me. Again- it focuses on girls- although the comment was “almost all girls”, which means, logically- that boys were being trafficked as well. As a male who was trafficked, I have an issue with men being left out of the equation- as it was MORE prevalent in Omaha and Houston in the 80’s and the effects of such abuse on men are JUST AS DEVASTATING as those who are are women.

Second- okay- our justice department has said that “450,000” kids run away from home each year- compounded with 2,185 kids being reported missing DAILY- also reported by our justice department- and the kids that hit the streets as “throwaway kids” that go UNREPORTED- there are SIGNIFICANT numbers of children finding themselves involved with this- and have been for quite some time now. At least judging from the numbers given to us by those in the know.

So now the government entities want to be congratulated for saving a minuet number of victims when this activity is a multi-billion dollar business, and is connected to many other blackmarket activities that make the abduction of children an incredibly lucrative process, which is why people such as Christopher Barden, pit bull for the False Memory Foundation- has been able to pass so much legislation that has worked for the perpetrators and against the victims of such abuse. Here in Omaha- people such as Nebraska Senator Ernie Chambers fought against more jail time for the perpetrators but FOR MORE jail time for the trafficked prostitutes concerning LB255 here in Nebraska- showing that our lawyers and politicians are doing what they can to PROMOTE this type of behavior rather than try to deter it. This is a sad take- because those who have sworn to uphold the law and protect our most vulnerable have done what they can to do just the opposite- and the effects on victims of such abuse has been so awful that that it makes one’s heart ache with compassion when you realize the injustice of it all.

Our media is trying to celebrate that our law officials are finally doing something against problems such as human trafficking- but I will tell you from my experience that this is a farce- and the truth is that they have been INSTRUMENTALLY INVOLVED with the other side of this issue for decades now- and the events that played out here in Omaha Nebraska and Houston Texas in the 80s and 90s are KEY examples of which I speak. Using the media to try and save face- these “rescues” are nothing more than a PR campaign to placate and pacify the people who are starting to wake up to the whole criminal conspiracies that have been hidden for so long. As such- when it comes to child trafficking- our government MUST BE LOOKED AT as being involved with these practices- as they have been going on for a myriad of years and it has been our own systems of government that have promoted and actively supported these type of behaviors, and the time for this to stop is NOW. The FBI, try as it might to say otherwise- has been instrumental in fighting to hide crimes against American citizens and our children- along with the CIA and other government entities that have been running secretly rogue for some time now. But all of this is now being forced into the light- and the time for all of this to be exposed has come. Our children are our future- and it is time that we start protecting ALL OF THE CHILDREN- for if we don’t, our society is doomed in more ways than one.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/internet-trolling/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I have certainly been a target for criticism online for years now- generally from people acting badly in their anonymity. This has been true for most of the social sites that I have been going to trying to get my family investigated, as I have been accused of trying to make money on a book rather than anything else. This belief is wrong, as I went to the police and local officials trying to have my family investigated for their roles in child abductions and trafficking long before I ever put my situation on paper- and it was the fact that I got NO WHERE with police that forced me into writing a book in the first place. In fact, the Nebraska State cold case patrolman in Lincoln NE- a man by the name of Bob Frank, even went so far as to help my step-mother file two secret police reports on me in order to help the child killing pedophile rather than the victim in this case, which unfortunately happens to be me. When I went to the police to report my family, I had no idea that I would have to jump through as many hoops as I have- or deal with the rash of crap that I have from people who are both ignorant of what I am saying, and critical because of their ignorance.

Social media has been esp. hard to deal with- as every anon has an opinion. This was especially true on Amazon- where a group of the False Memory Foundation’s pedophile protector squad followers did their collective best to get me banned from commenting on the site. Still- even now they are attacking me-

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Go for it, Felicity. Find the lawsuits that led to convictions. David Shurter is far from a credible source. Amazon banned him and you’re going to use what he says to support your thesis. Good luck with that.

p.s. look like we are going to have a field day debunking your propaganda since you quote Shurter. LOL ”

Of course- these people have NO IDEA what I have reported to police- both in Nebraska and Michigan- and their arguments are always against me personally- and generally not what I have to say about abducted and murdered kids with regards to my father. I had no idea that in order to report a crime to the police you first have to win a popularity contest- and the fact that many feel free to attack me when I was a victim of all of this shows how inhumane most people are online, guarded with their anonymity.

I have also had it said that I am in this to help children- but that is also a fallacy. I am in this to get a bunch of abducted and murdered kids investigated- and though I am trying to help survivor’s of this come forward- my reasons to get this investigated are not at all altruistic. In fact- what I am doing is totally selfish- in that I believe if I can get my father investigated for his “crimes against children”, I- as his son- will be able to escape this mess and finally will feel free to live my life rather than be bound by my past. Of course- the fact that I was forced to MURDER CHILDREN up to the age of 10 has ALSO been flung in my face over and over- but in all honesty- that is part of the guilt that drives me to move forward when anyone else would have quit a long time ago.

The trolls on the internet have been many- and their biting comments have been harsh, but even with that- they have not been as bad as the local officials turning a blind eye to all of this mess. Douglas County Judge Marlon Polk, Nebraska State cold case detective Deputy John Pankonin, ex-Omaha mayor Jim Suttle and the newly elected mayor Jean Stothert- just to name a few- have ignored and even fought against what I have been trying to uncover- for whatever reasons. I think it is because my family was involved with things that went WAY BEYOND THEM- but whatever the case- the end result is the same. This group of people have been adamantly fighting for a child killer rather than listening to the victims in this case, which not only include me but my older sister as well. Worse than any troll on the internet- dealing with our local authorities lack of initiative to help a victim has been the most frustrating of all.

Unsure of what I can do next- I am just trying to keep on keeping on with any and every attempt to expose this- despite what anons on the internet and local authorities have to say about it. At this point- if this DID COME OUT- local officials and police would have egg on their faces- and they will do anything they can to prevent that, even if it means defending a child killer like my stepmother. Swearing to uphold the law- they are DERELICT in their duties- and as such- MANY MANY CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN have gone left unsolved- not because of the lack of information on these cases but rather because of a lack of initiative to solve them. Blaming EVERYONE but themselves- and that includes the victims of this mess- our local Omaha Nebraska officials are just as bad as the child killers themselves, fighting to keep all of this secret.

One thing can be said in this though- and that is I am NO TROLL. My name has been plastered all over the internet- and I have OPENLY AND HONESTLY fought for the truth to come out in all of this- despite what my anonymous detractors would say about it. I am fighting to have crimes against kids uncovered- and those who would come against me, knowingly or not- are taking the side of the child killers in this case, so forgive me if I don’t find the opinions of those too afraid to put their names with their opinions valid or worthwhile. There is more at stake here than entertainment, and though trolls often impress themselves with what they consider wit- it is hard for me not to lump them all together and think that they are just a collection of people who condone child abuse and killings, often finding it funny or amusing.

This is a very sad take on life- and those who find child killings funny are pretty despicable in my opinion- but even they don’t amount to the disgust I have concerning the people who ARE PAID TO INVESTIGATE SUCH THINGS. They are ACTIVELY fighting for child killing pedophiles- and I find that it is no wonder that Omaha police and local officials have the PR problems that they do. In fact- knowing what I do- it is fitting.

The following post got deleted by Amazon- but I wanted to save it for posterity…

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2013 10:01:25 AM PDT
argo says:

Felicity, debates don’t threaten me and since you’ve yet to debate points in this book, you will never threaten me.

Again, your drivel falls back to Doug and the FMSF.

That Must be all ya got.

I’ve never said child abuse is under-reported, another lying piece of propaganda.

I’ve testified before the house and senate against the therapists who kill 10 year old Candace Newmaker. What, beyond rants here, have you done to change public policy? (Bold is mine).

I’ve admonished Doug Mesner’s actions – now for the second time.

You lie, Felicity. You lie and cannot discuss Nathan’s book, cause you haven’t read it and, my friend, it’s crystal clear to all of us.

The challenge put to you over and over to write a post without pulling in Doug and the FMSF remains a challenge unmet by you. So it’s you running scared. Read the book, then you might have something to say outside driveling propaganda.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2013 9:36:07 AM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
I will spend a bit of time research those who have actually sued board members of the FMSF over time and add a list of links for you – https://davidshurter.com/ has some – and, I will add more later.

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argo says:
Go for it, Felicity. Find the lawsuits that led to convictions. David Shurter is far from a credible source. Amazon banned him and you’re going to use what he says to support your thesis. Good luck with that.

p.s. look like we are going to have a field day debunking your propaganda since you quote Shurter. LOL

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2013 11:52:16 AM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
argo,

Again, how can I make this clear to you – this is NOT a debate, but a review and examination of this book. I am not here to threaten ‘you’ You mean nothing at all to me – except a person who is threatened by hearing or better yet – having the public ‘hear’ the truth. Nathan spends the last couple of chapters in her book ‘selling’ the FMSF as a professional group. She is also a spokesperson for them – though not on their advisory board, including writing several articles on the Candace Newmaker case – http://www.fmsfonline.org/fmsf10.n04.html http://www.fmsfonline.org/fmsf01.n04.html – written back in 2001, but whose counting the some 12 years since.

You say, “I’ve testified before the house and senate against the therapists who kill 10 year old Candace Newmaker.”

It looks to me that the person who did actually testify in that case is R. Christopher Barden, Ph.D., J.D., LP http://www.kidscomefirst.info/BardensResponse.pdf

So, let’s determine – if this be you – if not, since you brought this case up – which btw – has nothing to do with this discussion – except to again prove my point that you are all mixed up with the FMSF and here to promote their notions – R. Christopher Barden, Ph.D., J.D., LP He has spent his career, at least in the late 90’s and early 2000 suing therapists for ‘planting memories in clients brains’ – to the tune of literally millions of dollars. http://www.rchrisbarden.com/staff.html

He states, “These verdicts establishes again for the rest of the country that this practice [repressed memory therapy] has got to stop. To have an entire treatment method based on junk science is inappropriate,” said R. Christopher Barden.” http://www.rchrisbarden.com/staff.html 1996.

Reading all of this concerning the FMSF and their cohorts is a bit overwhelming for folks – as they use well-known experts in their field to make their points. As we see, their is money, money, money in these law suits. And, unlike others – they win – how? With the ‘false memory syndrome’ defense, which, as we can see, no longer flies in a new era of scientific research which has proved it impossible to ‘implant memories’ in people’s brains. However, the propaganda (lies), which the FMSF is famous for publicizing, has influenced public opinion – a public who believes that if you have enough credentials – you must be ethical – NOT.

What else has he done with his career – can it be that he has harassed therapists – hurt people? Could he be considered a leader of an “Chris Barden/FMSF Cult”?

“Excerpts from *Ethics and Behavior*, Aug. 1998,
written by therapist, David Calof, documenting the (literally)
criminal harassment of him by Chuck Noah, Francine Casebeer, and
other members of the Northwest FMSF chapter, which the ACLU
supported under the guise of “free speech.” (The ACLU appears to
have been co-opted by this particular private interest group –
read this journal.)

Francine Casebeer also attempted to perpetrate a fraud on the
court system when she furnished a mental evaluation to the court,
pretending to be Chuck Noah’s therapist when, in fact, she was
his co-harasser. She wrote in her evaluation that Chuck Noah
should be allowed to continue to “express himself”. Calof
reports that the FMSF rallies behind Chuck Noah’s on-going
stalking behavior and gross, defamatory statements about him.
He also cites how these people appear to “set-up” others.

David Calof comments on his experience with Christopher Barden:

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(Calof) Pg. 168: “Recently I was subpoenaed as a witness in a
lawsuit against several mental health professionals in which the
plaintiff alleges the iatrogenic creation of multiple
personalities and therapist implantation of false memories. The
substance of my role in this case was that I provided 5 minutes
of consultation to the primary clinician, nearly 8 years ago, on
a clinical issue wholly unrelated to diagnosis, memory, or the
client’s evaluations about her past. Despite this circumscribed
and peripheral role in the case, I was subjected to a grueling 6
hr. deposition by R. Christopher Barden, the attorney for the
plaintiff. Barden is also a psychologist and the founder and
President of the National Association for Consumer Protection in
Mental Health Practices, a political lobbying organization with
close ties to the FMSF. (The organization shares several board
members in common with the FMSF, and Barden regularly employs
members of the FMSF Advisory Board as FMS expert witnesses. Most
of those for whom Barden legally advocates are members or
supporters of the FMSF.)

Barden is a well-known litigator in the FMS movement who
regularly presents at FMSF conferences and meetings and whose
work is often touted by FMSF Advisory Board Members, supporters,
and members. I was told in advance that the deposition would
pertain only to my recollections of my consultation, yet not one
question in the 6-hr deposition concerned my brief role in this
case. In fact, virtually none of the leading and argumentative
questions were designed to lead to the discovery of admissible
evidence in the case in question. Instead, the questions went to
my personal business (e.g., copyright ownership information for a
book I published) and to my views, which bear absolutely no
relation to the facts in the case or the consultation I provided
(e.g, copyright ownership information for a book I published)
and to my views, which bear absolutely no relation to the facts
in the case or the consultation I provided (e.g. whether I think
that certain leading experts in the field of trauma and abuse
suffer from paranoid personality disorder, whether I thought the
FMSF movement was conspiratorial, whether I thought childhood
abuse could be ascertained through astrology, what book I had
recommended to my clients, what journals I read, or how many of
my clients did I think I had injured). I was also asked to detail
my contact with several figures in the trauma recovery community.
Barden also read into the record long segments taken out of
context from some of my lectures. These were taken in the main
from pirated transcriptions made by the harassers. Further, I
noticed that Barden often referred to materials on the table in
front of him that I recognized to be handouts from the harassers.

At the conclusion of the ordeal, one of the plaintiff attorneys
said the deposition was ‘a fishing expedition, clear and simple’;
another opined that ‘it was not an interview, but an
interrogation.’ I later learned that Noah, Casebeer, and probably
other harassers had been aware for months that this deposition
was to transpire.”

Pg. 170: “It is worth noting that Noah’s aggressive pattern of
behavior is not without precedent. After he was privately accused
of child abuse by his daughter, he use similar aggressive and
very public tactics. In 1993, he was finally forced to stop
picketing his daughter’s former therapist when that therapist
obtained a second antiharassment order against him (MacDonald v.
Noah, 1993)”.

I see now that the post I am responding to was removed by Amazon, probably because you called me a ‘liar’ – I no longer report to Amazon – because I want to hear what you have to say – and, be able to respond.

Anyhow, the very fact that the FMSF and other such groups’ agenda IS to sway public opinion – it may be difficult for the public believe that Nathan would take the time to write a book for the sole reason of desecrating ‘Sybil’ the book and Shirley Mason in order to sway public opinion that there is no such thing as DID – but, yes – these folks’ have the time and money.

argo,

I would like to discuss this with you, my research is abundant – more up-to-date – and, suggests that this book is nothing more than propaganda for an ignorant public –

You asked me, “What, beyond rants here, have you done to change public policy?” Answer – I do everything that I can to improve the quality of abused children and abuse survivors. I am sorry that I do not have the credentials of those who work within the FMSF and other affiliated groups. My agenda is NOT to protect the perpetrators – but, to see them gain a fair trial – and, this will not happen as long as experts like Bardon are called as expert witnesses – I think all can see how that works for the victim?

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First of all, Felicity is one of my heroes. Her arguments are articulate- accurate, and constantly coming up against a small group of the pedophile protection squad-it is just amazing that she keeps going. Thanks Felicity- and if you don’t mind- I gave you your own page so I could keep that which Amazon deletes.

Secondly- the reason why I was banned is because this group of pedophile protection squad activists worked for two weeks to get everything I was saying banned- basically because my argument detracts from theirs. You see, there was no DID for me, and my memories were SUPPRESSED- NOT REPRESSED- in that I didn’t forget my past but rather chose to consciously RUN from it. Also – there is AMPLE evidence that the situations in which I relate my experiences before, during, and after existed and that the people that were involved and publicly spoken about are many of the same in my abuse- along with countless nameless others. The False Memory Foundation (I leave out the Syndrome part on purpose because it was disproved to EVER HAVE BEEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A REPORTED FAD TO MAKE MONEY IN THE COURTS SUING THERAPISTS), is trying to fight and discredit anyone and everyone who would come forward and honestly talk about their abuse- and that threatens their hold on the perceptions they would like to discredit- even though they endorse people such as idiotboy Mesner, who distract from those who are REALLY behind the FMF fight- such as Christopher Barden. THIS MAN has a history of having no limits and his behavior has RIGHTLY SO scared therapists and anyone who would come against him by being ferocious and, like any educated man- voracious. Of course- he only writes for the False Memory Foundation- which is a group designed by accused pedophiles to protect other pedophiles- so in many ways- he is MUCH WORSE THAN THE PEDOPHILES THEMSELVES, protecting in such a way the group that he has personally endorsed so hard. Being one who understands conviction- and standing by those convictions, I respect Barden only a little more than I do Mesner- at least he doesn’t whip out his privates to get his picture on the nightly news, but in the end- they are fighting for and protecting pedophiles. If getting banned by Amazon is all they got- then they got nothing, considering that a SLEW of the them ended up getting banned right after as well. However- they will do whatever they can to discredit me any time they can in hopes that people don’t listen to the fact that ALL I AM DOING IS TRYING TO GET MY FAMILY INVESTIGATED. It has been the facts of the situation as they have presented themselves that has made it what it is today- but again- IT IS NOT ABOUT ME, but rather the bigger picture which is the fact that I have given ample reasons why this hoopla in Omaha needs to be re-looked at- which is probably the same reason this pedophile protection squad is so desperate from acknowledging that I am getting way over a thousand hits a week from people who are, in fact- seeing that I have not only been logical in my arguments- but CONSISTENT. I have a blog to show that. When you don’t lie- you don’ have to remember the truth- and so it is just the right thing to do on my part- keep on keeping on no matter what the critics have to say.

So why does Argo matter? Because it is another example of an anonymous person getting on and trying to influence public opinion but by their very name are doing so deceptively- especially when most of all they have to offer is attacks, criticism, and constant derision. Watching Felicity on Amazon fighting against a ridiculous bunch of False Memory propaganda- I felt I needed to help in the fight anyway I could- and this is the best way I could think of in doing so. The False Memory people, fighting for accused pedophiles- could be the very ones influencing the public with regards to child abductions and trafficking as well, which is why we have the PANDEMIC THAT WE DO. Lawyers are suspect in my opinion- people with the personal history of Barden voraciously attacking those who would go against the pedophiles that he would protect are ESPECIALLY suspect- considering he has made it his life profession attacking victims of horrific abuse and, in many ways- re-abusing them at the same time. That is when he isn’t trying to find the best people to sue, hungry as he seems for any legal battle he can get into. However- his allegiance is with the False Memory Foundation Pedophile Protection Squad- and according to Felicity’s post- the main watchdog for the group- yet, even still, it is the Foundation that is at question here- and not the lapdogs they use to protect and hide them, such as penis exposing Mesner and their lawsuit happy guard dog Barden. Generally a case of smoke and mirrors- I believe it is THIS GROUP that is behind the desecration of integrity and honesty concerning children being abducted, sold, raped, governmental sponsored tortured, and ritually murdered- although it has been my experience that is has been going on even still- which is why Argo, and Critthink- and all of the other anonymous names that whoever is using to influence public opinion matter. Because they are fighting for children to be abused- and it isn’t okay. Period.

Debbie Nathan’s book is nothing more than a distraction and is so full of propaganda that she dances around like Rumpelstiltskin in her chapters Contagion and Containment where she tries to explain her myth that satanic panic was more about therapist implanted memories rather than the fact that children were coming home from their day-cares with STDs and claiming they were being raped and ritually abused within their day-cares- where this infestation was located at the time. However- living in the days of child and human trafficking- things are different-somewhat. I mean – the government wants a medal for cracking down on 100 pedophiles worldwide- and yet- even here in Nebraska- trafficking is STILL a problem- and the reason is because politicians like Ernie Chambers are fighting for the rights of the pedophiles by trying to disregard the rights of the victims, which seems to have a history of happening everywhere in the nation- so this show of justice was just that- A SHOW. Changing nothing- the only thing that changed was public perception- allowing people to sleep a bit better at night, which the whole reason why Nathan’s book matters not- because it is nothing more than a desperate ploy to distract from the REAL problems facing our nation concerning 2,185 kids being reported missing daily, (not mentioning all of the “throw-away” kids who leave home and all of the illegals who have only ADDED TO THIS NUMBER), and the fact that our elite are getting rich selling the children of the poor- and that law officials DO NOTHING to help the victims and in fact- often side with the pedophiles to help cover up their crimes- like people such as Deputy John Pankonin, Judge Marlon Polk, Nebraska State Patrol, the mayors office- both old and new, and the Omaha police department- who have a PLETHORA of cold cases concerning children and NO SOLUTIONS to as what caused such a rash of disappearances in the 60s and 70s. Judging by their behavior- chances are they never will- not before we are all long dead and gone, and none of this ends up mattering- which is what I am trying to prevent.

I was always taught if you control the perception of a thing, you control the thing itself- and this is exactly what this group of pedophile protectors has been doing- controlling the perception of child abuse and child trafficking. Doug Mesner, as Lucien Greaves, has been lying about his identity for years and it is just now that he has become public, getting himself arrested for indecent exposure in the process. This whole situation was designed to discredit satanism, child abuse, and religion as a whole- but all I have kept thinking about is where are the children in all this mess? Mesner has lied about so many things- and attacked so many victims- that suggesting that he is incapable of child abuse when that is a fundamental part of the satanism that I endured as a child makes me wonder if he is lying about this as well. Obviously obsessed with sex- judging from his website regarding his satanic sect that he has developed, I wonder how far his belief systems go and just who else he is hurting with his narcissistic belief systems.

MKUltra is connected with satanism- and there are thousands- if not hundreds of thousands of victims worldwide from all of this- and just because a boy pulls out his privates and teabags a headstone doesn’t deny the existence of either one. Most of the satanists that I dealt with have a problem with “keeping it in their pants”, and Mesner/Greaves seems to be no different- as he is PROUD of what he has done and will go on and on about how intelligent he is, as can be seen with his arguments on Amazon- as he tries desperately to try and focus people’s attention on Debbie Nathan’s horrible book “Sybil Exposed” (probably because the last two chapters- entitled Contagion and Containment- show the same sort of desperation he has by trying to assert that satanic ritual abuse is a fallacy and that our laws concerning sex with children are too harsh). Trying everything he can to bring focus off of his satanic rituals and exposing his privates for the world to see, all in an attempt to declare the dead Westboro Church’s minister’s wife gay in the afterworld, his whole dedication has caused a backlash against the False Memory Foundation- who have gone on and on declaring that satanism is a myth and doesn’t really exist and are now having to eat their words by endorsing such an idiot as their spokesperson. Simply trying to garner media attention- Mesner will do anything he can to bring focus on himself while trying to discredit child abuse. I guess the biggest question is WHY? Common for most pedophiles- they often have a history of denial as well- and it is hard not to equate the boy with the foundation he fights so hard for- since their history was developed and formed by a group of accused pedophiles itself.

The False Memory Pedophile Protection Squad matters because they are doing whatever they can to discredit satanic ritual child abuse, and child abuse as a whole- while attacking anyone who would come forward saying something different- like survivor advocate Judy Byington and her book 22 Faces. Mercilessly attacking over the internet and in real life- they stalk, attack, and try to deter anyone who would come forward claiming such abuse- ingratiating themselves into the survivor’s family and such- in order to silence those of us who have come forward. Mesner- as leader of this pedophile loving group, has come forth and publicly shown that such abuse concerning satanism does in fact exist- although it is my opinion that he is trying to take focus of Col. Michael Aquino and the REAL satanic cult Temple of Set and put it on his pathetic shenanigans, in order o prevent the public from delving too far into the truth of the matter that much of this is behind our problems with child abuse and trafficking. Knowing what I do about Aquino- having personally been raped by him as a child- I wonder how far this adoration Mesner has with the “satanic lifestyle” goes- and if he is hurting children when he isn’t being arrested for indecent exposure. Having shown that he has no limits- just how far has his CHOSEN belief systems reach- and WHO ELSE IS BEING HURT BY THIS BOY AND HIS GROUP? It definitely makes me wonder.

In the 80s and 90s, a group of accused pedophiles enacted a group called the False Memory Foundation and proceeded to manipulate public opinion so that accusations of child abuse and trafficking that were stemming from our daycare centers and children’s institutions were ignored and a countless number of children were left to be abused at will. Blaming therapists for making up memories and magically implanting them in people’s brains, the fact that children were coming home from their daycare’s with STDs was TOTALLY disregarded. Brilliantly using propaganda techniques and our media, it is this type of behavior that we are beginning to see again as these claims are resurfacing once more.

Why does Lucien Greaves/Doug Mesner (who has spent years lying about the fact that he was indeed Greaves), his little Satanic sect, and the False Memory pedophile protection squad matter? Simply because the False Memory foundation has made it’s money in suing therapists, destroying victim’s families and lives in the process, in a mafia type fashion that is designed to intimidate and silence those of us who would come forward and speak honestly of our abuse. However, these are different days- and an organization who goes about saying that all satanic and ritualistic child abuse memories are implanted and thus not real who endorse a practicing Satanist as a spokesperson- (a boy who designed a pathetic copy of REAL Satanist Col. Michael Aquino’s Temple of Set and then lied about his Satanic identity for years), should discover they can’t have it both ways.

Knowing there is a battle coming- there are a collection of False Memory pedophile protection squad leaders who are mining for ANY AND ALL information they can use for legal battles concerning survivors, and people such as Mesner (whose real name is Misicko- changed for obvious reasons), and Debbie Nathan- are trolling around on Amazon, Facebook, and other social media sites looking for prey so that they (The False Memory Foundation) can eventually go on the offense- since that is the only logical move they have left- considering false implanted memories and such have been disproved over and over for a myriad of people- (whose own egos prevent us from letting that happen). They must attack and try to silence survivor’s, as it is the only thing left that they can do- and so they are trolling around, mining for information on Facebook and internet boards- looking for those who they can sue. Knowing no limits, shown by the False Memory Foundation’s SPOKESPERSON displaying his privates in a Satanic ritual that he was enacting in a public cemetery, logically it would not be beyond these people- who have a proven history of involving themselves with this type of behavior, to go trolling on the internet, looking for people to sue. There is very little that is BEYOND ANY OF THIS GROUP. The case they are trying to bring about regarding survivor activist Judy Byington and her book 22 Faces is proof of that, so if you are one of those people who have been duped by this group of people- I would suggest, for the sake of yourselves, your families, and your therapy- that you THINK before you speak. Pedophiles are predatory- and are, in my experience, complete sociopaths- and they focus on the weakest and easiest they can- and so they have a tendency to prey on the most vulnerable of us, so please please please be careful.

ASKED FOR IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF LUCIEN GREAVES BEING DOUG MESNER- HERE YOU GO, YOU CAN READ IT IN HIS OWN WORDS
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple

Judy Byington’s husband,

Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves, I think, has become pretty full of himself of recent. He just turned me into a Satanist –

Doug said,

“However, I hope to turn that all around for you. By the powers (that you have) invested in me, I now declare you a satanist. You are now a satanist, Pat (Felicity). This is my “reality” that you conferred upon me, and I believe that you are a satanist. Further, I believe that you believe that you are a satanist, regardless of what you might say. I’m sure yu won’t attempt to invalidate my sacred belief. Welcome to being a satanist. ” http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2894/ou1t.png As you can see, this was written here on Amazon, by a man who totally believes himself some sort of god – really?

The ‘change’ is taking awhile, but you know – a glass of wine and dip in the pool did the trick.

I can say that it is kind of nice that the founder of the Satanic Temple has come to save his minions here. Their skeptic abilities were faltering – big time under the weight of truth and logic.

We all can remember the literally thousands of posts that Doug has already graced us with here.

They never change – and, besides now considering himself some kind of cult leader – making him even more confused and self-righteous – we still hear the same ol – same ol.

Let’s see, first he insults and slanders – because he doesn’t have an answer or any evidence at all for what he claims.
Then, he – as usual – for the billionth time tells commenters that they haven’t read this or that – oh, that is choice – now, he is able to mind read as well as turn people into Satanists and spirits into gay people. Then, he tells everyone that they should listen to him – because ‘he’ is credible – the man who was ‘JUST’ arrested for indecent exposure after plopping his privates on a gravestone and posing for the camera. Then, he is going to lie – even though he isn’t sure – he hopes that Jenny’s family’s gossip is actually truth – not very likely – but, who knows? Then, he is going to use the Dr. Phil show as evidence – fools may believe this, but most know that Dr. Phil is TV (entertainment). Then, more slander and insults. Wow, I am impressed by this self-proclaimed ‘intelligent’ person.

But, the minions really didn’t ‘need’ him to save them. Doug uses the same tactics – so, boring. Yes, nothing new from Doug/Lucien Greaves – the founder and leader of the Satanic Temple.

Oh, but Doug/Lucien Greaves is a bit more creative with the ‘name-calling’ – probably, more up his alley – since he can’t seem to stop fantasizing that anyone is interested in his little privates.

If you notice how he ‘demands’ information, like you actually ‘have to’ bow down to him like the others do –

Doug has some serious problems with defining who/what he ‘is’ – that is evident, and he is taking this out on others. I think he is a very confused man.

He obviously hates survivors, but doesn’t even know them, and his hate and anger towards anyone who doesn’t agree with him is evident also. This has always been obvious with him. But, now – he is going to great lengths to try to explain his ‘beliefs’ – I am not sure if that is the right word – even. At any rate – for the sake of this discussion, he now agrees that child abuse is a problem and that it should be stopped. Okay? Agreed on that. He hasn’t a clue ‘how’ – and, helping abused children and/or survivors is definitely not his priority since he continues to poke fun at survivors who report child abuse or write their stories. How is it helpful to demean, insult, and defame the memory of those who write their stories of abuse? He is advocate for the ‘false memory syndrome’ despite that there is no such thing – (a term coined by the FMSF). He totally believes that therapists can and do implant memories in clients’ brains – like magic – just like he turned me into a Satanist? Children are being abused daily – child-trafficking is a huge problem – where is Doug/Lucien Greaves, if he is so concerned – oh, he is out playing with his friends from the Satanic Temple – doing rituals.

Here is the best I have heard all year. He claims that I don’t understand that he isn’t ‘really’ a Satanist, because he doesn’t worship Satan – he is actually an Atheist – and, seemingly, proud of it. As usual, for Doug – he thinks that he is somehow ‘above’ following social norms. In our society and in scientific research everyone knows that we use a type of ‘functional definition’ – so that everyone is on the same page – not wondering around out in graveyards confused about what words mean.

The ‘functional’ or ‘generally accepted’ definition of Satanism is “sa·tan·ic (s -t n k, s -) or sa·tan·i·cal (- -k l). adj. 1. Relating to or suggestive of Satan or evil. 2. Profoundly cruel or evil; fiendish.” (free online dictionary). I mean every child knows that, but Doug/Lucien has decided that ‘just for him and his group’ – the Satanic Temple – there are no Satanists there – just Atheists – and, we can tell that by reading his little interview. Okay? And, he says that ‘I’ am confused. Why would any idiot found a group and lead it – naming it something that it ‘really’ isn’t – for a joke – he says, it is surreal.

My thought – that Doug/Lucien is the one who people are laughing at – and, I do feel sorry for him. He has tried to come clean and admit ‘who’ he is – just would be nice if he ‘knew’ who he is, before publishing a bunch of nonsense and exposing his privates for the media. That is something he can’t take back – and, I think that it is sad. The man is beyond confused – and, definitely NOT credible at this point. So, don’t worry, husband of Judy Byington – you are doing fine. He is rambling out of control.

The big question – is he really supporting the rights of children and survivors – or is he exploiting them for his and others’ purposes? At this point, I don’t think he knows – if he doesn’t even know the definition of Satanic –