Exploiting the tragedy of child abuse – superlative example!
By Vindalf on February 22, 2014
Format: Paperback
Rabbit Hole by David Shurter, is the best example of someone heartlessly exploiting the tragic topic of child abuse for their own self-promotion that I have ever seen. Everyone should read this book, or at least the free sample chapter available online, to learn what someone falsely claiming to care about sexually abused children sounds like in their own words. In chapter 8 of this book, “The Unraveling Begins”, David Shurter defends two of the most heinous convicted child sex abusers in Omaha’s history – his old friends Walt Carlson and Mark Andersen. Shurter dismisses the charges of crimes against children which led to these men’s convictions as “ridiculous”. Shurter dismisses the disclosures and testimony of the prepubescent child victims as “no real evidence”. Shurter slanders some of the victims & their families, claiming that the children’s disclosures were part of an extortion plot against Andersen orchestrated by the parents, and falsely states that this supposed extortion plot was verified during Andersen’s trial.
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This is an example of the concentrated attack that I am speaking about that is happening on Amazon- but since Vindalf and I have crossed paths before- I figure that it is okay that I use him as an example of the misinformation that is a part of this mess. So this is the truth of this situation…

Nothing in Omaha at the time Franklin Credit Union broke out was what it seemed as there was a concentrated effort to distort and misdirect from the true story that was happening in Omaha, Nebraska at the time. At the time of these allegations from the “child victims” of this situation came from boys here were around 18 years of age- and they were, in fact, hustlers that sold themselves around the area in town called the Run. The allegations consisted of things that were suppose to happen when they were 11= but when it got reported and went to court was MUCH LATER. I knew these boys- there were well known in the Baer circles- and I think that the TIMING of this situation was what makes me ask if it was real or not.

Defending criminals? How about this for you. In my book- MUCH WORSE THAN MARK AND WALT- I also question the truth about serial killer Jon Jubert- the Offett Air Force guy that got busted killing two paperboys here in Omaha. You see- there had been murders= the exact same way that his two victims were murdered- that WELL PROCEEDED Jubert being transferred to Omaha. The case of Ricky Chaddick being one of them. So that means I am questioning the guilt of Jubert- a condemned and executed “child murderer” whose case containing of two murdered Omaha World Herald newspaper boys adequately deflected the public from three Des Moines Registrar newspaper boys in West Des Moines, Iowa- one of whom was Johnny Gosch. The three boys who had been abducted in the state next door- two hours away from Omaha, in the proceeding year and a half. Jubert’s conviction was also in the SAME WEEK as Franklin hit the local tv stations with Alecia Owen, Troy Boner, and Paul Bonnaci- Bonnaci- who had an unbelievable act to distract from the satanism going on in Omaha with his whole DID crazy act, which was the SAME WEEK that Mark and Walt were found guilty of child abuse, and was also the the SAME WEEK that my best friend David Klotz was murdered for being a Baer boy- All of which were in the SAME WEEK that John Jubert was found guilty of child murder. Wow- quite a week- and what an amazing amount of coincidence that this all happened AT THE SAME TIME, THE SAME WEEK, ON LOCAL NEWS? It was pretty much almost like it was instrumented- and I have the contention that it was- IT MOST DEFINITELY WAS.

No one in this mess is who they say they are- and those who are supposedly fighting the good fight quite the person they say they are. When I contacted the investigators involved with the Franklin mess I was dismayed when John DeCamp shied away= only agreeing to meet me AFTER Noreen Gosch (Johnny’s mother) and I agreed to meet for lunch. Nebraska Congressman Ernie Chambers on spoke to me twice- the first time after listening to me telling me to “drop it” or that “they would commit me, dope me up and throw me off the roof of the building, calling it a suicide.” The second time he greeted me with an angry tirade about how he had his own issues to contend with and that he couldn’t deal with mine- where after I told him that he was a “sell out” and when he actually “WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC- to get a hold of me”. I have discovered that everything connected with this mess is a smoke and mirror- and it is so heavily infiltrated with the “bad guys” that it is doubtful that the truth will ever get out into public consciousness.

Things in Omaha were controlled by the rich and powerful- and there is a huge secret= much bigger than I ever imagined- and I personally think that until it is looked at it is a huge black hole on life events and life in general. I am NOT just placing myself inside of a situation- and in fact- as much as the PP Squad would like to assert- the whole thing is NOT EVEN ABOUT ME. I just have one place in it and am willing to talk openly and publicly about it whereas most who have a place in it just wish it was all over. I figure one man standing on a rooftop can increase and promote public discourse about the events- and so that is where I have placeed myself in order to get all of this mess looked at.

Are Walt and Mark guilty- I have no idea. However- about the allegations that the sex parties were happening at Walt’s house are ridiculous- considering he lived in his 70 year old parents basement- and the things that came out in trial about the family first trying to extort money out of Mark was well known in those circles as it was on the news at the time. Most of those who have had the most to say- such as anonymous trolls like Gordon on Amazon- haven’t even read the book- which tells me that since people like Vindalf= who left this review- are working in conjunction with other internet trolls to try and do what they can to downplay and contort the facts of Franklin once again- only this time online. However- I stand by what I say- and actually- not reading Rabbit Hole and still arguing about it is kinda lazy as I have the unedited version on my website at DavidShurter.com, so anyone who wants to read it may do so for free now. It isn’t the one that got nominated for book of the year- but it is 30,000 words more of info and insight that was taken out of it before it got published.

Vindalf has reviewed on four books- and all of them are connected to me or my case- and every one has a one star rating but mine- which I believe he gave me 5 stars in hopes that his review would hit the top of my ratings- allowing his review to be picked up and promoted as the most helpful. It is common of the games I have had to endure on the site with this small group of very effective game players. Below is the link for the reviews- so that one can check out what I have just said for them self.

This is Vindalf’s page on Amazon showing the reviews I am speaking about…

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AU00PXOFPHYYX/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp

Reviewed Rabbit Hole: A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor’s Story by David Shurter : “Exploiting the tragedy of child abuse – superlative example!”

Reviewed Twenty-Two Faces by Judy Byington : “misinformation spoils it”

Reviewed The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse & Betrayal … by Nick Bryant : “Disappointed”

Reviewed The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by John W. DeCamp : “Petty Vengeance”.

A new day is being herald in and whether that be a good thing or bad is philosophical at this point as it is coming upon us regardless. Some say that these are the end times- and that we are all doomed to fail as societies tip over but I worry that this has become some sort of self fulfilling mantra that is focusing us on accepting a fractured and broken future by way of capacitive aggressiveness that is passive as well as explosive at times. Times are what we make of them- and by way of the rules of Law of Attraction- we bring to ourselves that which defines us as individuals- be that chaos or peace. If we are negative, it will influence our sight to see that which is negative to help manifest what we believe to become true. Same as true with peace and tranquility. With Buddha in mind, it isn’t that the way of life will get easier or harder- rather it is our perspective to those positive things in life that brings the gift of abundance, and the gratitude we show for what we already have. We draw to ourselves that which we have in mind, and generally will speak out loud what we have inside our heads- so it is a cycle that can either be fed through apathy and weakness, or focused and maintained with a sense of gratefulness and acceptance with a focus on perceptions to that which happens around us.

That does not mean that injustice and focus on the negative is ignored- as we are all experiencing the repercussions of a world that is failing morally and spiritually. Glorifying all the things that are ripping our consciousness and character apart- this “anything goes” mentality is unhealthy and, although there are those who would argue against me- is nothing more than a slow boiling ride into damnation as our myths of mankind are taken and perverted so that good is bad and bad is good. The Devil- and the deep rooted mythology withstanding as a champion of lies and chaos, celebrating and glorifying through a statue of Baphomet with two children giving adoration to the Devil in Oklahoma City, is basically an abomination to those of us who have gone through the depths of hell and had to fight to get to the other side all our lives as a result. It is mocking those who have suffered at the hands of those people who have worshiped the Dark side and all that dwells within it while promoting a lie all in an of itself. Those who involve children in the dark for dark purposes are doing nothing more than manifesting to help further manifest bringing out the darkness in the victims as they generally begin the journey of re victimization afterwards- if not on ourselves then on others. As such- it takes a huge amount of refocusing and maintaining a positive focus on life and that things will work out if we let God and and the Universe help us help ourselves become better than we are today.

This does not include a hedonistic, narcissist based, accentuated greed focused reality we have made thus far. That means being our brother’s keeper- and helping each other when we can with no compunctions about payback while we help. This, on the other hand, does involve each of us to become grateful as God loves a happy giver- thus directing us to give of our time and such to others in society who also need and are looking for the direction to help each other. This MUST happen- in my opinion, or we will actually be doomed- as times appear to be getting much rougher and in the end- we will all need each other to make it through the changes that, inflicted upon ourselves or not- seem to be ripping the fabric of society in such a way that everything is going to hell. There are a certain group of people who would argue with me- and say that I am being an alarmist- but really- watching things deteriorate as much as they have regarding social morays and good conduct in the recent years, I have become to realize how pervasive dark thinking is in all of our lives, and how trained we have been to focus on the negative instead of the positive. This is feeding the belief that our lives have no hope but to turn into some mad max/terminator/big brother Illuminati controlled mind set like we are some sort of brainless sheep who can be herded as such. Cry against this all we’d like- the proof is in the pudding- and our actions speak louder than our words.

I am not sure why I felt the need to write this down this morning, but oh well. I will get off my soapbox now. But before I go- let me reiterate that focusing on the Devil is bad, fundamentally it goes against all the ancient myths we have grown up under the influence of since the beginning of our species. Normalizing or gratifying in any way the Dark helps manifest more dark- while saying that it is okay to our children- and we are at such a tee tottering point in time that on push one way or the other is going to to have that much more influence on the future- and we all, as a society, must make a stand for what we believe in before we are lost in some sort of ambiguous world where anything goes and nothing is wrong with championing the evil that exists today in our world.

http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities/2014/08/queen-elizabeth-canadians-refuse-to-litigate-child-genocide-mass-grave-sites-2466362.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/world/europe/ireland-children-bodies-tuam/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10885038/More-Irish-mass-graves-likely-to-be-found-warns-Archbishop-of-Dublin.html

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/15/162941770/floridas-dozier-school-for-boys-a-true-horror-story

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 7:14:35 AM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
You’re the one who makes accusations, liar. I have facts. Facts about this book that “SRA” pushers (aka liars) like you can’t answer, which is why you resort to accusations.

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LoessJedi says:
and getting my replies deleted so that only your accusations stand is deceptive at best. If I was such a liar- why not let what I say stand so that others could see what a “liar” I am. But that isn’t your style. You want the last and only word- hoping that people will believe your nasty opinions.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 7:44:55 AM PDT
LoessJedi says:

The Campaign to Bully Authors on Amazon who Talk About Surviving Satanic Ritual Abuse

The Campaign to Bully Authors on Amazon who Talk About Surviving Satanic Ritual Abuse

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 8:38:58 AM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
It’s not deceptive in the slightest. It’s about ENDING deceptions like yours. Your lies and insults and irrelevancies should be deleted, and there is nothing wrong with reporting them.

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 8:40:00 AM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
I wonder if this post will say anything about the campaign to bully reviewers on Amazon who call attention to the lies of “satanic ritual abuse”. Somehow I doubt it.

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LoessJedi says:
one of the most important parts of the woo woo tactic (look it up on line) is to constantly call your opponent a liar when you can’t argue them down to silence. This has been WIDELY used in just the past three pages alone. In fact almost every post that isn’t mine uses this tactic. Then – at least on Amazon- report them over and over and get them taken down so only one side’s accusations stand- while all defensive remarks go to the wayside.

One Troll Attack on Judy Byington’s book 22 Faces on Amazon http://youtu.be/D9sBhbH7ol4

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 12:59:45 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Or maybe it’s because YOU LIE CONSTANTLY. About me, yourself, the book which you never read, everything.

So, why do you think so many of your posts get taken down?

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LoessJedi says:
I could argue yours get taken down quite a bit as well. Complain five times about a post and it gets taken down automatically.

You are deceptive. and a game player. and correct me if I am wrong- but the review that is at the top of the list is mine- and I said I didn’t read the book at the time. It is entitled Judy Byington- As a Person- Rocks

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:09:17 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. Why do you think so many of your posts get taken down?

I deceive no one. Nor am I a “game player”, whatever that means. Another scare word, I suppose.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:13:36 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
because you and your group complain about them constantly. that is why they get taken down. As you said- you complain about them. Me- I like people to be able to see the WHOLE conversation. It just seems more honest to me. Let people decide for themselves what is true or not. It isn’t my job to alter the info to try and manipulate what they think. I believe people are more intelligent than you do obviously.

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Gordon_bydand says:
Golden mean fallacy. The assumption that both sides deserve to be heard. Creationists and proponents of “Intelligent Design” are fond of it for the very same reason you are. Also, still no group. And I’m pretty sure Amazon doesn’t work that way; if it gets taken down, an admin thinks it violated a rule somewhere.

And don’t get sanctimonious about letting people “see the WHOLE conversation”. How many comments do you permit on your blog? None?

“correct me if I am wrong- but the review that is at the top of the list is mine”
You are wrong. The one at the top of the list is from your ex-cohort Goodwin. Yours is #30.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:27:31 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
mine is the most helpful critical review. anyone can check on it for themselves.

funny- you argue pedophiles, Nazis and satanists all have rights but me- i dont have the right to defend myself. interesting. of course all this is going up on my blog .

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:29:19 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
it is middle of the day and i have 390 hits so far. so people must be finding all of this interesting. think that many people have been in here today? lol

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:30:51 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Funny, I don’t recall saying anything about what rights you do or don’t have. However, I must remind you that, despite one of your more bizarre theories, Amazon isn’t a part of the government, so is perfectly free to censure anyone they feel like.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:32:32 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1SJ2P8CAW4UN4/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1SJ2P8CAW4UN4

my review on amazon for 22 faces

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:32:47 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Appeal to popularity. Fallacy. Plus, don’t you rant all the time about how I or anyone else can come here (a major shopping site) in the middle of the day? But I guess it’s okay when they’re reading some random guy’s conspiracy theory blog…

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:34:30 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
My review on Amazon for 22 Faces:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2EW7A792LS592/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1620240327#wasThisHelpful
Unlike yours, I actually talk about the book! Amazing, I know.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:34:57 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
they aren’t censoring- like you said- you are complaining to them. and you obviously dont believe I have rights- and that people are too dumb to make up their own minds. your actions speak louder than words.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1SJ2P8CAW4UN4/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1SJ2P8CAW4UN4

my review for 22 faces

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:35:42 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
your all that dude. lol.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:36:43 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
i talk about you dude and how you say you are working a job yet are in here all day. I was speaking about you and you alone.

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:37:33 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
I should start keeping a list of words you don’t understand. Like ‘censure’ and ‘rights’. I think people deserve not to be lied to by charlatans and predators like Byington, Goodwin, and you.

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:39:59 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
So you admit you have two standards, one for whoever agrees with you, and one for whoever does not. More of your confirmation bias.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:40:55 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
lol- basically because you think you are smarter than everyone and they are too dumb to know the difference- isn’t that correct?

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:42:15 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
No. It’s not. It’s because I think people deserve not to be lied to by charlatans and predators like Byington, Goodwin, and you.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:42:29 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
no- but you like to censure anything you dont agree with. thus you try to get all of my replies to your bs removed. I don’t agree with that. and i think that people are way smarter than you give them credit for.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:44:52 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
well i am sure there is one or two who appreciate your efforts to protect them from their own stupidity.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:51:52 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
https://davidshurter.com/?p=4523 More Conversations on Amazon with Gordon As He Gets them Deleted

In reply to your post on Aug 6, 2014 1:48:54 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Yes, I’m sure the tinfoil hat brigade will enjoy your lies.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2014 1:53:12 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
lol- again you show how little repsect you have for the public. it is actually really sad. If they don’t believe you they are stupid. but then you are a deceptive little snot.

Arguing with the likes of Gordon on Amazon is an act of futility- as they deny all their inappropriate behavior and work at getting any retort to their accusations deleted. However- I want to show that there IS a campaign by the False Memory “Syndrome” Foundation to attack and silence all who would try to come forward and talk about satanic ritual abuse. Most of the arguing that I have been involved with has been on Judy Byington’s book 22 Faces. Last night I posted some of the typical conversation- which Gordon has gotten Amazon to remove- at least all of what I wrote. His ugly accusations stand- as if he is the only truth teller out there. Of course- calling someone names and then getting their defense deleted is deceptive at best- but it is typical of what this side has been like. Threatening me with jail for arguing with them- which is what Murphy has done claiming that he is a lawyer- has also been typical. This group of people will stop at nothing to try and persuade people to believe their lies- and Gordon is a perfect example of that. They claim there is no campaign of attack- and yet the FMSF newsletter shows something entirely different.

This is a call to arms in the False Memory Syndrome Foundation’s 2012 newletter.
http://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2012update=Dangerous%20Book:%20Twenty-Two%20Faces

Dangerous Book: Twenty-Two Faces

FMSF News Alert – October 23, 2012

Introducing J. Bean and Dangerous new book

Dear FMSF Friends, I have a new volunteer assisting me in sending regular notices to FMSF members. J. Bean has been a friend of the Foundation since 1992. Future updates may come from email address JBeanfmsf@gmail.com. You might want to add that address to your “trusted senders.”
Pamela

Judy Byington, therapist and author of the book “Twenty-Two Faces” is to be interviewed on the Dr. Phil Show next Wednesday, October 31st. “Twenty-Two Faces” is the story of Byington’s patient, Jenny Hill, who claims to have developed Multiple Personalities after having been abused by Jewish Nazi Satanists, as well as by her own parents. The book chronicles Hill’s “recovering memories” of this hidden past in therapy.

Journalist Doug Mesner has written an interesting review of the book, entitled When Therapists are Lunatics. Mr. Mesner has also published an open letter to Dr. Phil in the Examiner, urging skepticism.

If you wish to offer the Dr. Phil Show your opinion of this content, contact information is available here:

Dr. Phil.com

J. Bean

Gordon is all over my book- constantly calling me a liar, crazy , and more- although tonight he admits he has never read the book. Of course I caught him in several lies tonight so what anyone should believe is a good guess. Sorry that the conversation rates right up there with a grade school fight on the playground- but that is the type of behavior I have come to expect from this idiot- who often times uses the 6th grade tactics of “I know you are but what am I” to argue his point. I am putting this conversation on my blog because Gordon has a tendency to cry to Amazon and have all of my replies removed while his stay up. Since he is clamoring for attention- I thought I would give the child what he desires most – an actual venue.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 11:00:37 AM PDT
LoessJedi says:
whatever. you dont talk facts as much as opinions. and I never called you satanic or a pedophile. however- I did have issue with you saying that pedophilia isn’t a crime. but I am sure you will twist this as you do everything.

funny- your not attacking but I am attacking you. funny how it works that way in your world.
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In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 11:06:32 AM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Yes, actually, you DID say that about me. Multiple times, in fact.

“I did have issue with you saying that pedophilia isn’t a crime.”
Yes. You have a lot of issues with reality. Perhaps you should seek psychological help. But you’re still not addressing the book. 22 Faces, the one you never read.

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Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 11:14:17 AM PDT
LoessJedi says:
no i didn’t- although i said you were a member of the pedophile protection squad. again- you twist things.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 11:30:49 AM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
You’ve done both. Both are of course lies. And you’re still not talking about the book you never read. Give me a single neurologist who makes reference to this “omega wave” Byington writes about.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 11:41:09 AM PDT
LoessJedi says:
omega wave allows you to train more efficiently. it also is Forbidden’s fifth album. There is a lot of stuff on Google about it.

lol- you accuse me of talking about a book i supposedly didnt read yet you do the same thing on my book. If that isnt the pot calling the kettle black. and i never called you a satanist. but i do still contend that you have defended pedophilia.

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Gordon_bydand says:
The difference is I never claimed to have read your “book”. In fact, I have specifically said I did not. That in no way precludes me from commenting, particularly as my few remarks have been mainly about your BEHAVIOR HERE, not the book itself.

Yes, you have called me a “satanist”, which is a lie. As is the bit about me “defending” (another scare word! do you collect those?) anything. Stating a FACT is not expressing an opinion. Do learn the difference.

“omega wave allows you to train more efficiently”
Yes, the phony Russian exercise program. I’ve seen it referred to twice, once on that company’s own site, and once when Wired slammed it as a fake, specifically stating (might be slightly paraphrased) that “neurologists have never heard of it”. Thing is, even fraudulent Russian exercise programs aren’t insane enough to think that brainwaves can be used to map personalities onto, like Byington says.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 4:51:43 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
if you havent read the book- why do you go on and on about how bad it is written. can’t have it both ways. again- it is another example of you expressing your opinions as facts and just expecting people to take it at face value. I suggest you take your own advice and LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 8:46:31 PM PDT
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Gordon_bydand says:
As I have repeatedly said, I read the sample portions both here and on your website . And OBVIOUSLY when I or anyone else says something is poorly written it’s opinion! This is yet another proof of you not understanding what constitutes ‘opinion’ and what constitutes ‘fact’. And of you continuing to promote your (irrelevant) book in place of this one, so you’re still trolling and still haven’t read 22 Faces.

Allow me to demonstrate the difference between ‘fact’ and ‘opinion’.
Judy Byington and David Shurter are poor writers.
This is an opinion. It is a subjective expression that has no absolute and external truth value, only a relative and internal one.
Judy Byington and David Shurter are liars.
This is a fact. It is an objective statement about the world that has an absolute and external truth value.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:22:18 PM PDT
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LoessJedi says:
dude= you project way too much. Just because you tell yourself something doesnt make it truth= and it doesn’t make you any less dishonest. You twist everything you do and MUST have the last word- which says more about you than it does me.

If you dont want me to talk about myself- then stop talking about me. You lie so much and attack so much and are so childish that it is amazing you are able to maintain yourself to any degree. oh- thats right = you ARENT.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 9:30:05 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
It’s rare to see so many lies in two poorly-typed incoherent paragraphs. I do not lie. Ever. Show a single time. Go ahead, I invite you to do so. Since you’ve given up even the pretense of having a point related to the book, might as well entertain me for a while.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:35:30 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
you just lied now saying you never lie. YOu twist everything and make yourself out to be the victim. saying you arent a child is also a lie= your “I know you are but what am I” argument is tiring. Just because you have opinions-= generally unwarranted- doesnt make you more than what you are. which isnt much

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:38:34 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
just an anon on Amazon wanting desperately to be heard. ignored like you are in life- which is why you are so disagreeable.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 9:38:49 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Truly pathetic. You can’t back up anything. I d not lie. Ever. Show a single time. Go ahead, I invite you to do so.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:43:16 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
Suggesting that you are superior in every way is one of the biggest lies you tell yourself. again- what are you but some anon with opinions- which you have formed with no real education to the facts. and you call me pathetic= lmfao.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:44:16 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
just because you are rude doesn’t make you superior. it just means you dont have any other way to express yourself.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 9:47:52 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
I’m not rude at all. Just because you are illiterate, doesn’t make you superior. It just means you don’t have any other way to express yourself.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 9:49:31 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
You still don’t know what an opinion is. You still throw out made up scare words that don’t mean anything.

And when did I “suggest[] that [I am] superior in every way”, and superior to whom?

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 9:54:25 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
lol- you aren’t superior to anyone.

and you really need to be less scared of words. Never have I seen someone use “scare words” so much as you.

and your insults could be construed as rude. Or childish idiocy- take your pic.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:00:16 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHoXZq9y2UI

David Shurter on Cancel The Cabal

for those of you who want something more than Gordon’s opinions.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:00:23 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
I never said I was scared. I said you use scare words. Come clean , English isn’t your native language, is it?

“your insults could be construed as rude”
Really? Compared to who? The lying quasi-literate hypocritical beggar who goes around calling people satanic pedophiles? To me, THAT is rude…well, several stronger concepts, but rudeness is certainly there.

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LoessJedi says:
oh-more insults. let me cry myself to sleep.

dude= you are just a sad little anon who has no other place than amazon in their pathetic little life. and to tell yourself you are all that is a lie you need to feel better about yourself.

no matter how you insult me- I have a bigger venue and more people listening and interested in me than you ever will.

oh- and just because you fight for the rights of pedophiles doesn’t mean you are enough to be a satanist. they have much higher standards.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:04:23 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
No one wants anything from Shurter’s insipid blog.

Also, I have facts. Learn the difference. For example, all of the FACTual errors committed by Byington that I have pointed out. The “omega wave” for one; I challenged you to provide a single neurologist to back up your side and you couldn’t do it, just some vague mutterings about “a lot of stuff on Google”, despite the burden of proof being on YOU. Neither you nor Byington can show that such a thing exists.
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Gordon_bydand says:
Again with the transparent discrepancy. You can go from “no one knows who you are” to claiming to know all about me without the slightest sign of self-awareness. These two positions are mutually exclusive. Your inconsistent and laughably weak taunts only show you for what you really are.

Also, more lying about me? It’s quite disgusting, and only shows how horrible a human being you must be.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:09:26 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
i could care less about Omega wave. I didn’t write it so there is no burden of proof on me at all.

lhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHoXZq9y2UI

David Shurter on Cancel The Cabal

and I have another radio interview on Saturday so obviously not everyone agrees with your uneducated opinions

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LoessJedi says:
your right Gordon- that is why so many people are interested in what you think. I mean- people are reaching out to you asking your opinion aren’t they?

Oh that’s right- no one is.

cause no one cares about you. Probably the story of your pathetic little life.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:11:28 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
And how do you know this?

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:13:05 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
oh I am wrong? do tell.
In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:16:48 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Yes, you are, but that’s not the point, and furthermore my private life is just that, private. The point is, you DON’T know, you CAN’T know, this is just more of your hypocritical baseless hatespew. For someone who constantly cries “stop talking about me! you don’t know me!” and “all you have are insults!” you’re the major source of such things. There’s an easy way to avoid this, of course. All you have to do is…talk about the book.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:19:55 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
please= no one cares about you dude. your life is private cause no one could care less. and that is an understatement.

You go on and on about how no one cares what I think and I can prove you wrong. You just have BS excuses.

More lies= but whatever allows you to sleep at night i guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHoXZq9y2UI

David Shurter on Cancel The Cabal

Funny- I can SHOW people’s interest in me- not including the 500+ hits a day on my blog – one of which is admittedly you. So even you have interest in me. lol.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:24:51 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
“one of which is admittedly you. So even you have interest in me.”
Nope. I don’t read your blog. I haven’t bothered to do so even out of morbid curiosity for several months now, and this is the first I’ve even acknowledged doing that much. So don’t flatter yourself.

Allow me to rephrase. No one whose interest is in 22 Faces cares what you think. This thread is for 22 Faces. Therefore, no one (reading this) cares what you think.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:29:28 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 8:46:31 PM PDT
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Gordon_bydand says:
As I have repeatedly said, I read the sample portions both here and on your website

so which one is it? you seem to contradict yourself. I am not flattered by you dude- like everyone else in your life I would prefer it if you kept your distance.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:35:12 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
No contradiction at all. Your blog is not the Consider It Creative website, and I read the sample well over a year ago.

And of course more of your hypocrisy and insults that don’t make any sense. You never get tired of that, I see.

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LoessJedi says:
if that aint the pot calling the kettle black.

just admit you are a liar.

I don’t read your blog. I haven’t bothered to do so … for several months now.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 10:41:35 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
again- you can’t show where anyone is interested in you- and I can easily show where people are interested in what I have to say- so your opinions that no one cares about me or what i have to say is false.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You say one thing one minute and then contradict yourself the next. Why would ANYONE listen to you?

oh- thats right- they don’t.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:42:19 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
There is absolutely nothing I have said that isn’t true, or that is in any way contradictory. Do you have some kind of learning disability? Or are you just that dishonest?

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:43:18 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Again, you say things that, not only are they not true, but you’d have no way of knowing about. This is what makes you a liar.

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LoessJedi says:
and you spout opinions that are uneducated = which makes you ignorant.

and the fact that you live in here and insult everyone shows people how completely pathetic you are.

“I don’t read your blog. I haven’t bothered to do so even out of morbid curiosity for several months now.” – yet you said you have never been on my blog . so which one is it? you either HAVE been on my blog or you have NEVER been on my blog- either way you are caught in a lie. But like most liars you wont admit it.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 10:51:42 PM PDT
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Gordon_bydand says:
“and the fact that you live in here and insult everyone shows people how completely pathetic you are”
Huh. So…what does that say about you? And I don’t “live in here”, and I don’t “insult everyone”, so really, you’re only succeeding in making YOURSELF look bad. Well, worse. You already look bad for spending two years trolling to defend a book you’ve never read and never talked about.

I don’t think that anyone of your level of literacy is qualified to call someone else “ignorant”. Between the constant demonstrations that you don’t know what a fact or an opinion is, to your bizarre punctuation, you really aren’t MENSA material.

I did not say I had never been there. YOU are lying when you claim that I did.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 11:02:01 PM PDT
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LoessJedi says:
sorry- i had to copy the conversation before it was gone. I want to post it on my blog and then send them to your comments on my book.

In reply to your post on Aug 5, 2014 11:05:20 PM PDT
Gordon_bydand says:
Am I supposed to care about this? I stand by every word I’ve said. Although I’ve little doubt that you will lie about it, because that’s what you do.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 11:06:25 PM PDT
LoessJedi says:
“Your blog is not the Consider It Creative website , and I read the sample well over a year ago.”

so you HAVE been on my blog which shows you have had interest in me.

which one is it?

http://www.cancelthecabal.net/uploads/2/1/1/6/21163562/august_1_2014_rabbit_hole_with_david_shurter_and_gill_trebilcock.mp3

Satanists- like Aquino as Founder of the Satanic sect Temple of Set – RARELY hold the truth with Much Regard…
By LoessJedi on July 28, 2014
Format: Paperback

It is interesting that Michael Aquino says that he is putting the police documentation into Extreme Prejudice, basically because it is a well known fact that almost all of the paperwork was ordered to be destroyed by our own government as a matter of national security- and so of course the only things left would be that that favored the Satanist Aquino- whose is the FOUNDER of Temple of Set- a group of people who look forward to the up and coming antichrist.

This book is nothing more than a continuation of a paper he wrote previously entitled “From Psychop to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory” where he is manipulating the facts of the situation in order to “prove” his innocence. It is true that Geraldo hosted a show where he was going to air a family of satanists-but, like what happened when he broke into Al Capone’s secret vault two years previously- the show was a flop due to no one showing up. What is much more telling is his appearance on Oprah- his LAST known public appearance- when 800 people called in afterwards claiming that Aquino had abused them. It is also notable that Aquino marauded around on tv in a Merlin type outfit and heralded his satanic background during this period more than once- often along with ex FBI man Ted Gunderson.

“Satanic Panic” was a title deemed by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation which was formed in 92 to deal with the abuse issues that were coming forward- not just from McMartin and the Presidio but from daycares all over the nation that were claiming that children were coming home with STD’s and had been trafficked to be sexually abused. Interesting that much of the early funding- supporting the FMSF founders such as Ralph Underwager- who was interviewed by Padika magazine claiming that sex between children and adults was no big deal- got much of their early funding from the North American Man Boy Love Association.

As far as Michael Aquino- his prestigious career also includes involvement with the mind control component of our nations MKUltra experiences and is reportedly involved with child disappearances such as Johnny Gosch and Kevin Collins. This man- as the head honcho Satanist in America- has a tendency to gloss over these facts- only presenting himself as an innocent man involved in a witch hunt.

I am happy that he has brought himself once again to the forefront- as these allegations are serious and MUST be looked at- and now that he has come forward- perhaps now is the time for that to happen.