First, before I put her reply in- I have to ask how many ONLINE SUPPORT GROUPS were available on the Internet in 97? Taken out of context- which is satanic leader Doug Mesner/Lucian Greaves method of operation- I believe that Kluft was speaking about in person support groups- as the only thing around on the Internet was AOL- and there were NO support groups- let alone for DID, around at the time.

Anyway-here is Felicity’s excellent response to Mesner/Luciean Greaves agenda driven article “The Truth About Ritual Abuse Claimant-Advocates and Threats” article.

Felicity says:

“Okay, I guess that I have to be the bearer of bad news to you and for those who don’t realize that you all are still stuck in the 90’s.

The book that you are referring to – or I should say Doug Mesner aka – Lucien Greaves – the founder of the Satanic Temple and like you, a false memory advocate – the one who runs this rag of a blog you are advertising again – are referring to that Richard Kluft wrote in 1997 – during a period when therapists were being threatened, sued, and generally harassed by the FMSF folks.

As is you have done here, you took a paragraph – or I should say Doug Mesner did – and spun it to represent all that was said in that book. You tried to spin it to mean that the support groups of today are run the same as they were in 1997. IGDID was not around in 1997. I have no idea how the groups were run then. I suppose they must not have been very productive. Funny that they were not attacked then by the false memory folks. They must not have been a ‘real’ threat to the false memory advocates at that time.

I am thinking that since Kluft is such your hero right now that you should run over to all of his books and give them 5 stars, but I don’t see you all there at all. Why is that? You only like this one paragraph that gives you call to bash me and IGDID – again. But, I am able to share many more of his quotes that put serious doubt to any of your claims – as he is a professional and in your own words is “one of the most prominent SRA/DID “recovered memory” proponents” knows the truth better than you all. Why would he write about SRA/DID if, as your propose, there is no such thing? hmmm.

Actually sounds like you have a bone to pick with groups that support survivors. Sounds like you all did a lot of digging to find that one paragraph from a book that was written in 1997. Wow – 30 years. I have to say that things have certainly changed since then.

Online support groups, such as IGDID.com, are a great benefit to survivors – as can be found in literally hundreds of articles, studies, and books in this era –

“Benefits of support groups

Regardless of format, in a support group, you’ll find people with problems similar to yours. Members of a support group typically share their personal experiences and offer one another emotional comfort and moral support. They may also offer practical advice and tips to help you cope with your situation.

Benefits of participating in support groups may include:

Feeling less lonely, isolated or judged
Gaining a sense of empowerment and control
Improving your coping skills and sense of adjustment
Talking openly and honestly about your feelings
Reducing distress, depression or anxiety
Developing a clearer understanding of what to expect with your situation
Getting practical advice or information about treatment options
Comparing notes about resources, such as doctors and alternative options” http://www.mayoclinic.org/support-groups/art-20044655

I would propose that you are posting here, because you are looking for the type of support that Kluft was explaining in that book written nearly 30 years ago.

“excessive dependency, and unbridled requests for support and nurture…and the possibility that members will, under the aegis of group forces and their own vulnerabilities, come to believe that they too have experienced what others represent as their personal histories”.

Is that not exactly what you have been doing here and on your little blogs for years. You follow your leaders, such as Doug and the FMSF – who is responsible for you even knowing Kluft exists, and take one paragraph to represent truth, while dismissing not only everything else he has written, but also boundless evidence that ‘today’ support groups are a great benefit to everyone. Thus, you are unable to think for yourself at all – but you benefit from the support as they feed you the attention and nurturing you so crave.

You are so naive to believe that intelligent folks don’t notice that you are threatened by support groups such as IGDID.com and their leaders – such as myself that you (Doug Mesner followers) flood the internet with an entire article written by a wanna be journalist about one paragraph found in a book written in 1997 and spin it to be currently newsworthy.

But, I accept the praise. For you all to be so threatened by the group IGDID and me – is telling. You’re whole purpose in life and agenda is to silence survivors however you can – and, ‘implanting’ a fear of support groups in the public’s mind might just do that – if you could find actual evidence that they are not beneficial. Though you generally bash and undermine therapists, in this case, you are using the words of one of the finest therapists in hopes that they will take this one paragraph as current and question my creditability.

Nice spin – I give Doug Mesner (FMSF follow and founder of the Satanic Temple) the credit for the creativity of coming up with this one. And, let the public wonder why he is spending so much time – again – trying to convince the public that he does not have an agenda.

And, so timely – isn’t it. With our upcoming conference which will include some 300 clinicians, survivors, and supporters – you all really believe that you can chase them all away with this garble – as if we don’t all know that Richard Kluft supports, survivors, and therapists – period. And as you agree with me in your quote: “Dr. Richard Kluft, member of and keynote speaker for the ISSTD, one of the most prominent SRA/DID “recovered memory” proponents” is enough to throw out your new theory.

Let’s look at this quote from Klufts book written in 1997:

“I am particularly wary of leaderless or peer-facilitated support groups for dissociative disorder patients and others who allege that they are survivors of ritualistic groups. I have tracked the course of more than a dozen of these groups over the years, and all but one were unmitigated disasters…the proclivity of these groups for overwhelming their members with one another’s traumatic material, excessive dependency, and unbridled requests for support and nurture…and the possibility that members will, under the aegis of group forces and their own vulnerabilities, come to believe that they too have experienced what others represent as their personal histories”.

He is obviously talking about “peer-facilitated support groups for dissociative disorder patients” – not online support groups – which are not ‘peer-facilitated’ at all, but forums which are moderated by an entire staff of people.

Come on – we really aren’t in the 90’s anymore –

But, nice try.”

This article- and others like it- whose soul purpose is to destroy my credibility, are all an attempt to destroy the upcoming conference in Seattle this October. Trying to pull a dead rabbit out of a hat- Mesner/Lucian Greaves and all his Pepophile Protection Squad members are doing whatever they can to diss and dismiss the fact that so many members of the DID group are going to be joining with therapists to educate the public on subjects like Trauma and Dissociative Identity Disorder. Completely threatened- claiming that we are trying to begin a “witch hunt”- this group will do and say whatever it can to dismiss and detract from Ivory Garden and the fact that they have now gotten Continuing Education Credits by falsely suggesting that 1). I am part of the whole organization and 2). That Felicity is some sort of untrustworthy scam artist- even though the state COMPLETELY CHECKED HER OUT- before giving Ivory Garden the opportunity to offer CEU’s at the conference.

This group- that is lead by Doug Mesner/satanist Lucian Greaves- is NOT TO BE TRUSTED, no matter how much they infiltrate their lies on the web. Doing whatever they can to discredit survivors, they constantly attack and ridicule- doing the very things that they say do not exist. EVERY ABUSER DOES THIS, claiming that they are innocent of the claims against them and blaming and attacking the ones they abuse by claiming they are unstable, crazy- or worse yet, liars. This whole aspect of this should come as no surprise to those reading these claims- as it is common practice and is well known to the general population that abusers lie. I mean, come on- isn’t everyone in jail INNOCENT? That is what most of them claim- and so it should come as no surprise that this group are using the same tactics to drive their agenda to keep the public from reaching a point where they finally understand what the False Memory Pedophile Protection Squad has been guilty of for DECADES NOW.

I am pleased to announce that the conference in Seattle this October on Trauma and Dissociation has been approved to offer continuing education credits for those who are looking to further their learning and get credit for their attendance. Special pricing will be offered for those who are seeking CE units, and many of the speakers will qualify for this amazing opportunity.

Ivory Garden will be a provider for the National Association for Social Work- and so credits are able to be given for attendance. Those who are not seeking CE units will be afforded a cheaper rate, but all in all- the cost of this conference is incredibly reasonable and is one of the few that are certified to offer CE units.

Please check out IGDID.ORG for more information- and for further updates on this incredible conference and it’s amazing group of speakers!

The survivors of abuse and the False Memory Foundation has been waring for decades now about childhood memories of abuse- and I wanted to throw my two cents in about this controversy. It is well known that I have been an advocate for survivors of extreme abuse, and that ritual abuse- abuse that happens daily and on such a level that it is basically ritualistic, happens to more of us than is admitted- I have to say that neither side is gospel truth. Memories- esp. those of children, are inaccurate- and are subject to the interpretation of the person being abused, and therefore can be inaccurate.

One example of this is that I always remembered my father as being huge. Being awakened in the middle of the night, my father would beat me until he got himself in such a frenzy that he would rape me- and I spent much of my life seeing a man who was not all that big as something larger than life- and scarier than any boogeyman. When I reached adulthood- esp. after my father became sick- I realized that I was seeing him through the eyes of a child- as I was much larger and much more physically capable than my father. This doesn’t mean that my abuse didn’t happen- but rather that the details I remembered were inaccurate, and it was in the interpretation that I had as a child that skewed my thought processes. That compounded with the trauma that I experienced- made it very difficult to first accept and then remember accurately the specific details of my abuse.

Milton Erickson- the father of hypnotherapy- spoke about “autohypnotic states of being” which is what I experienced as a child. First being beaten- as a child I would “go someplace else in my mind”- often pretending that the humiliation and trauma that I was experiencing was happening to someone other than myself. Later, as an adult- I often used Socratic questioning to determine what happened to me- as I first had body memories- (memories stored in the body) that lead me to first question my abuse and finally to accept it. Accepting abuse is often the first thing a survivor must go through- as, when I was a child, I spent much of my time denying what was happening to me. Time heals all wounds as they say- but it also makes memories fallible- as we often soothe over and rewrite the abuse that we suffered. This doesn’t mean, again, that the abuse didn’t happen- but rather my memories, in the process of self preservation- rewrote these memories in order to help me deal with them on a day to day basis. And, as I said earlier, abuse memories are subject to interpretation, as are most memories- child and adult.

What is important to look at is the collateral damage of our lives- and this has NOTHING to do with memories of abuse. Having complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I have problems with severe anxiety, social awkwardness, and intense sleeping disorders- which dictate something major happened- and is beyond my memories of abuse. Due to the abuse I suffered- I often am a victim of self trauma- in that I have a tendency to re-victimize myself- putting myself in situations where I once again suffer trauma. It is this that assures me that, although I may not specifically remember my childhood traumas in detail- my belief that I went through ritual abuse is nonetheless correct. My life has been a testament to the abuse that I suffered.

I also had the benefit of having much older siblings than me- who all remembered the same things I did, and sometimes worse. The cult activities that my father and stepmother were involved with were often clarified by my older brother and sisters, and more so- they were presented in such a way that I could have no doubt in my mind that what happened to all of us was factual and real. More so- they remembered the abuse that I suffered in ways that I couldn’t- as they were all well over a decade older than myself- and their memories of my abuse were that of much older participants- and more so, they were not skewed by my personal trauma. No one convinced me that I was abused- nor was I manipulated to believe I went through what I did- but having the assurances that what I remembered was factual was incredibly beneficial to my psychological well being and personal healing as an adult.

People like Sheri Storm- who spouts convictions that she was manipulated to believe that she ate babies- infuriate me- as it muddies the waters of people who have actually gone through real abuse. In my past- I don’t recall eating any babies- and in fact those who were murdered were generally prepubescent white boys. I have been criticized repeatedly for detailing my memories of killing and cannibalizing the ritualistically murdered children- but these memories are something that I never forgot- although I spent much of my life telling myself that I was crazy for remembering what I did. Abuse survivors often go through this- as it is easier to tell ourselves that we are crazy than admit the horrific realities that we suffered as children. For the record- NONE OF MY MEMORIES ORIGINATED THROUGH MY THERAPY, and to be honest- I almost left my therapist more than once due to the fact that she would not agree nor disagree with what I remembered. Telling me that it was not her job to attest to the validity of my childhood experiences- she simply stated that it was her responsibility to help me deal with what I believed in hopes that I could achieve a better life and a more consistent day to day experience without constantly being daunted or controlled by my memories of trauma. People such as Sheri Storm will negate her responsibility she has to her own therapeutic process and blame others for her misconceived notions of her past- whereas I contend that much of the responsibility lies with her and her lack of discernment to determine the events of her life. Of course the False Memory people will jump on this and claim that she was just a victim- but who is the victim? Her- or the lives of the people she is claiming owe her a million dollar payout for her lying to herself? I think that the blame is two fold- and that the women who claim that their lives have been ruined by rogue therapists have to look in the mirror if they are to determine who convinced them of such balderdash.

Memories are fallible- esp. considering that in the cult- children were often manipulated to believe things that were not factual in order to hide the REAL events that were occurring. Predators often skew the truth with their victims so that they are not easily discovered- and children are the easiest to manipulate. Are all of my memories spot on? No, I don’t believe so- but I also contend that due to my history- and my life experiences- that there is more evidence that I went through what I remember than not. Despite what the False Memory Foundation will attest to. They weren’t in my life as a child- and they certainly are not in my life as an adult- and so their contention that I am mistaken- or worse, lying- is nothing more than an opinion- and uneducated at that.

To any survivor out there who has gone through intense abuse- don’t allow ANYONE to detail to you your experiences, and although I suggest you question your memories, I certainly would not deny them. For those of us who have gone through extreme ritual abuse- and, in my case, cult abuse- we have spent far too much time denying to ourselves what we experienced- and it is time that we allow ourselves to not only remember- but speak about the things that we suffered in order to prevent such atrocities from happening to other children in the future.

Amazon- on Judy Byington’s book 22 Faces- has a collection of incredibly active and mean trolls…

Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
46.9k 6.3k 583
Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic.
By Chris Mooney

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RLrAHB0K8M#t=22

Arguing with this idiot on Amazon is nothing more than an act of frustration- as he claims that my experiences are not mine but rather I adopted them from reading a book- although he won’t expound upon what book I supposedly have read that dictated my experiences as a child and adult- which I wrote about in my book Rabbit Hole. This guy will jump at anything to try and discredit me- although he has a recent history of exposing himself on national tv and is guilty of the VERY THINGS HE ACCUSES ME OF.

Let me point out that the tale of Paul Bonnaci- who I think was a plant the entire time- is where the False Memory Pedophile Protection Squad got it’s idea to dismiss claims of satanic ritual abuse and governmental abuses of crimes against children in the first place. His was the FIRST CASE OF DID IN THE COURT SYSTEM- and it was his idiocy that convinced a grand jury that all the claims of abuse were false. Now- not surprisingly, anyone who comes forth with such claims is accused of getting their experiences blamed on bad therapy- although PAUL BONNACI WAS NOT IN THERAPY AT THE TIME. This group of people dismiss ALL CLAIMS of SRA and extreme ritual abuse by arguing that EVERY CASE IS CAUSED BY BAD THERAPY- and this supposition has since did it’s share of discrediting the profession as a whole. Paul Bonnaci, in my opinion- was a plant who was more involved than he lets on about- which I have stated before- and the fact that every case of abuse is dismissed- either by blaming a therapist or worse, calling the victim a liar- is so deplorable that it defies words.

I do not think that every parent- who have all been called unstable or guilty of having an axe to grind- were being guided in therapy to claim their children were being abused. The daycare at the Presidio- where Michael Aquino was directly implicated- closed its doors due to the allegations- rather than investigate the claims- and Aquino has been let off the hook by the government due to it being an issue of “national security”. To say there is no merit to the claims is to dismiss EVERY FACT and just go with the presupposition that victims are either completely malleable or are downright lying. This Critthink troll on Amazon will argue with me as to what my therapy consisted of- and that I garnered my experiences from reading a book- with NO IDEA WHO I AM AS A PERSON. That is when he isn’t claiming that I am being manipulated like a puppet- whose puppeteer changes at will. First it was my sister- then it was Judy Byington, who wrote 22 Faces- and next it will be someone else. Anything to dismiss me and the things that I have said. That is when he isn’t directly calling me crazy or a liar.

How many years did we have to suffer the abuses of the Catholic Church while the SAME CLAIMS AGAINST VICTIMS WERE BEING WAGED? Now that things have come around as they have- it is common knowledge that A LARGE WIDE CONSPIRACY TO PROTECT PEDOPHILES DID IN FACT TAKE PLACE. The fact that our government has been running rogue for some years now- and that all of the info that comes negating the fact that they have been abusing children have originated from either the False Memory camp directly- or from those who adhere to what they False Memory PP Squad claims. It is sad that things have gone on for as long as they have- and although this PP Squad club claims that thousands have suffered from such accusations- they can only bring up a handful of people- all of whom were helped by the False Memory club. Highly suspect in my mind- I think that the False Memory PP Squad is working in conjunction with the powers that be to try and dismiss all claims of abuse. God knows they seem to have a lot of leeway on Amazon and other places- such as the Huffington Post- in order to try and dictate public opinion AWAY from the victims and TOWARDS THE OFFENDERS. This is disgusting.

The fact that the spokesperson for the False Memory Foundation just got busted showing his genitalia in front of the national media while performing some weird satanic rite is more telling than anything- and although Mesner/Lucian Greaves will attack me and question my morality as a child- his RECENT BEHAVIOR AS AN ADULT is more telling than anything. The False Memory PP Squad does its best to discredit and vilify all victims- while suggesting that the perps have been falsely accused- using any oxy moron they can to try and deter anyone from actually looking into the claims of the hundreds of thousands or more of victims who have claimed such abuse. This, in my opinion- needs to stop immediately- and this demonetization of the therapeutic community needs to cease. If only to open the way for interested parties to ascertain the truth of the matter rather than be compelled to follow the opinions of those who would claim that anyone accused of abuse is innocent.

Contrary to the False Memory PP Squad- I do not think that it is fair to have children document their abuse and do their own investigations in order to prove what happened to them. We don’t expect that from the victims concerning the Catholic Church- and we need to stop demanding that from others. Opinions are not facts- and the False Memory PP Squad needs to be, as far as I am concerned- removed from the equation so that the public can determine the validity of such claims rather than openly dismissing them due to public consensus, which spent DECADES defending the Catholic Church before the truth was able to come out.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/accused-craigslist-killer-claims-22-other-murders-report?ocid=newssocial

After reading this article- I can see now why the False Memory Pedophile Protection Squad is able to freely act so viciously as it does on Amazon. The fact that Amazon is in league with the CIA and the NSA is not surprising- what IS surprising is that it isn’t news that one of the nation’s, if not the world’s, largest online retailer is working with the government to spy on people. I guess that our government has graduated from watching people’s library cards to Amazon- as it is imperative I guess to see how people are educating themselves and what books they are reading. The fact that they are inundated with trolls such as satanist Doug Mesner/Luciean Greaves, Critthink, Eric, Gordon, Gaston, etc. should therefore not be surprising- as anyone who has a brain and stands up is generally attacked by this group of Pedophile defenders claiming that all memories are false- esp. those that concern childhood abuse. This should be news- and the fact that it isn’t is just sad in my opinion.

http://original.antiwar.com/solomon/2014/02/12/if-obama-orders-the-cia-to-kill-a-us-citizen-amazon-will-be-a-partner-in-assassination/

Later on this was left on Amazon as a reply to what I wrote…..

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CritThink says:
David, as per usual you pull a whacky theory out of the air and make it truth. By your logic Felicity/Pat who has has admitted here to having a contractual agreement with Amazon works for the nefarious illuminati like org.

No one says all memories are false. Memories at the core of this debate are the ones that therapists claim are forgotten because of truama. TRAUMA MAKES MEMORIES STRONGER not weaker – ask any PTSD war vet. Creating survivors out of suggestible people by manipulating their memories should be a crime, IMHO. These horrible therapists have created trauma by introducing impossible narratives to suggestible people like you through promoting stupid tales like this. Your story is not yours, dude. It was floating around in a book and you latched onto it. The same book was used to convict Fran and Dan Keller. The same stupid stories from OMAHA made thier way to TX via Pam Noblitt who gave this book a 5 star review. Innocent peoples lives were ruined over it. More “survivors” were likely created at their workshops. Wake up, David, you were and are being played.

and so I responded…

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David says:
critthink- really? Who is playing me? I keep getting from your side that everyone is my puppet master. Most of my book is about my adult life- and I don’t know any KIDS who got their trauma from any war- other than what they went through as a kid. I really think it is funny that you will dismiss what I said as an adult- and to be honest- I NEVER READ DeCamp’s book. You have this strange assumption that books control people- and that is scary! I also didn’t get my memories from my therapist- which I talk about in my book. I HAD THE MEMORIES AND THAT IS WHAT DROVE ME INTO THERAPY. I also have not gone through any of the weird things you guys suggest about therapy- which tells me that you are talking about things you have never experienced. But hey- if I can get a million bucks out of it- maybe I should join your group of crusaders. Of course my CONSCIENCE won’t allow that. I am not sure what book you are talking about with Pam Nobblit- but we had a falling out a while ago so to suggest that I am being controlled by them is another example about you not knowing the FACTS. There might be some innocent people jailed- I don’t know- but I know that many GUILTY PEOPLE- such as my parents- never saw anything happen to them. Perhaps my sister filled my head with stories- like Mesner suggested- but then- ALL OF MY SIBLINGS TALKED ABOUT OUR PASTS WITH EACH OTHER. I can’t believe you would call all of us liars and defend my parents- esp. since my father came clean about his past as well. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

And if you are talking about Nick Bryant- I never read his book and I have openly fought his spin both publicly and on my blog. It was Brick’s appreciation for Bryant that made me tell Brick to go jump in a lake. So what book did I supposedly read that is influencing me?

Man, although I have had nothing to do with the planning or setting up with this conference- I am excited about it nonetheless, basically because it will be one of the BEST conferences I have ever attended. The speakers are amazing- and whereas other conferences call upon their own small group of people to speak- Felicity has gone out of her way to gather brilliant individuals who offer a wide array of experiences that really compliment each other. Many of the speakers have a long history of supporting survivors publicly, all who will be bringing their expertise to the table and sharing it with everyone who attends. Of course I have a feeling one of my favorites will be Lynn Crook and her comedy improv on Sunday- as we all know that laughter is the best way to promote healing.

Trauma and dissociation is a part of many of our lives, and this conference is one that I believe will help us deal and heal with our issues of abuse. Dysfunctional childhoods are a part of almost all of our lives- and we all suffer through traumas as we get older- and the roster for this conference is an amazing collection of professionals coming together and sharing their expertise on how we can overcome and prosper despite what we have experienced through life.

Friday will be intense- as Sandra Paulsen will be doing an all day workshop on “Looking through the eyes of Trauma”- sure to interest clinicians and survivors alike. Along with that, in another room- there will be talks on healing through writing, the benefits of having service dogs, and my sis and I will be speaking on the family dynamics of abuse. And this is just Friday!

Saturday will be full of talks concerning healing trauma, what to do when abusive parents and such age and die, and finding our spirituality despite abuse. People such as Gina Vance CLC, CMHT,CCHT, RBT – Marvin Thomas, MSW -Joan Golston DCSW, LICSW- Laura Brown Ph.D. – and Ellie Fields, LPC, LIMHP, CPC will all be bringing their experiences to the table- allowing attendees to have a chance to look within themselves and find their strengths in order to help facilitate healing. Sandra Paulsen will also be speaking again- her speech “Intuition and Spirituality: Guidance on This Side of the Veil” giving us a sense of peace within ourselves. And for those who are interested, there will also be a jewelery making seminar- in order to facilitate the artist within.

Sunday is just as cool as the first two days- as people such as Susan Pease Banitt, LCSW, RYT- David Calof- and Susan Pease Banitt, LCSW, RYT will be presenting, as well as Lynn Crook, M. Ed.- whose improv will certainly be inspiring as well as entertaining. And for those of you who are interested in telling your stories and getting them out to the public, Lisa Pelto will be speaking on how to tell and publish your insights about abuse, living, and healing. The plenary will be conducted by Marvin Thomas, MSW- as he talks about building our own personal villages. As the saying goes- it takes a village to raise a child and we are all children of God. I guarantee Sunday is a day NOT TO BE MISSED!

This conference is BETTER THAN ANYTHING OUT THERE- and Felicity is to be commended for all her hard work in bringing such an interesting and wide array of people together to speak! As her friend- I know that she has suffered some set backs from the survivor community- but I equate that with jealousy- as she has brought forth THE BEST CONFERENCE OF THE YEAR! None of the others that I am aware of even compare to the one being held in October- and I assure you – none of you want to miss this amazing time- as this conference will be one to write home about!

For more information- or to register- (and this conference also is MUCH CHEAPER THAN ALL THE REST), please check out IGDID.org for more information. I assure everyone- it will be well worth your time and money!

This was such a brilliant post that I felt that I needed to share it.  It says what I feel better than I could say myself….

“Karmakaze – are you trying to say that ‘you’ have not made it impossible for anyone who has ever posted here to do anymore than agree with you – or succumb to you and your cohorts endless wrath?

Your ramble and incoherent threats, passive aggressive behavior (sometimes, just plain hateful), and total lack of knowledge on this topic is blatantly insulting to the author of this book and the public. Yes, you have the ‘right’ to public speech – and, you are knowledgeable on that subject – much more than I – I will admit. You somehow avoid, by being anonymous, consequences for your constant slander and libelous comments.

I did notice, though that since Huffington Post has put up TOS concerning trolls, your group was unable to get even one post past their moderators. Things are looking up. Oh, jb did get a lame little post in – I apologize.

The purpose ‘is’ for giving opinions – not for abusing other commenters for your own purposes – to silence them and chase them away. But, this you do – then, whine to Amazon that ‘you’ are the victim. They don’t understand that your group tries desperately to ‘run’ the internet through sites like this – because, you have none of your own sites or blogs that are active enough to feed to google. This is truth. It is difficult for the average person, or even the average moderator to ‘see’ who is here defending themselves – and, who are the attackers – you are also expert whiners.

Your group WAS the whole reason for Huffington Posts decision to remove obvious trolls – YOUR GROUP – my gosh – and, you sit here as the victims – trying to railroad the moderators of this site – or maybe, you have found a friend here – who knows.

What I know and see is that when your group is not here posting, the discussion is intellectual and respectful. Although, it is rare that your group is not here covering 24/7. The discussion at Huffington Post, on this topic, has become the same – intelligent – without having to hear your constant insulting and woo-woo skeptic bs – that other sites are just plain sick of hearing.

You are the type of trolls that it is impossible to ignore – because your ‘freedom of speech’ goes beyond – with your opinions being personal attacks and lies pertaining to other people – not this book.

For instance, I have nothing to do with this book – I am here only to protect my own name – I take screenshots ONLY to turn over to my attorney – I don’t have ‘friends’ at Amazon to call and whine to. And, I don’t expect them to change their methods for enforcing TOS here just for me.

I am shocked and dismayed, however, that your taunting and baiting of this author has not been at least thwarted a bit by moderating your groups behavior. You bring in one completely abusive persona after the other – survivors can’t come here, professionals are dumbfounded by the behavior you all display – threatening people’s businesses and practices, exploiting their personal information? Who allows this type of behavior? Well, I would say someone who is either oblivious or is actually also a part of this group.

Anyhow, don’t play stupid with me – it is your group’s ugly and raucous behavior that keeps anyone who would like to talk about this book running for their lives – and, YOU KNOW IT.

“Explaining your ugly behavior in here as your need to defend a sweet person (the author), is incomprehensible.” NO, it is not – that is the point that EVERYONE who is not acting as part of your group has said for over a year. You create an environment here (not by accident) where commenters feel that they must defend against lies, insults, libelous statements, invasion of privacy, and personal threats both from here and other sites you frequent. IS this okay – absolutely not – by the standards of society – AND, free-speech. You have gone way to far. Even Amazon employees read your posts and agree that they are horrible and meant to create a reaction – we cannot be held responsible for reacting to abuse that we read – who wouldn’t be angry reading your posts – and, who wouldn’t respond defensively?

Your group has threatened David, the author, and me of physical harm in real life – not just here – and, the posts have been left up. Really?

People coming here to read do not believe a thing your group says – because, they know who the attackers and the abusers ARE – and, they know who the victims are – but, you are just happy if one passerby might believe anything – just one word you say – or if anyone out there might recognize your name twice – you are happy if just one survivor cries a tear after you beat them senseless with abuse and threats, slaughter them with insults or plaster their grandchild all over the internet for any perp to watch dancing. You are happy if this author loses one moment of sleep after your libelous statements are left here on her book site. You celebrate if anyone were to take their life after you mocked their moment of weakness –

This has been going on for over a year – and, you are for the grace of ‘what’ – are still here doing this. Wow – over a year – and, you get away with it – why? I just do not understand where the limits are here.

You are wrong – always have been – and, have never stopped attacking people – not one single comment is even polite – from any of your group – NEVER – not one. Show me one comment any of you have made that wasn’t an attack, a threat, or a mockery to other commenters – besides those in your group – of course. Just one – okay? But, despite that you can’t, they all remain – thousand of them.

Everyone sees what I am saying to be true, but no one can do a thing. Reporting your posts seems to increase their veracity – I just don’t know. It takes all kinds in this world – and, you represent those that hold the truth? – you have got to be freaking kidding me. The truth is always given as ‘facts’ – not ridden with insults, judgement, woo-woo tactics, or personal opinions.

I have written this as my own opinion – as an expert – who has been actively posting and reading her for over a year – who has been personally involved with Amazon and spent many hours with attorneys reading this book review and the comments – who have information on nearly 50 other commenters who have been attacked and emotionally injured because of this group – who has hundreds of screenshots and evidence from many other sites that these folks DO come here as a group, actually instructed as to how to hurt survivors and this author – as someone who cares for other people’s rights to freedom of speech – who will not stop moderating this book review until I have ample (more than ample) evidence to ensure that this travesty that is happening here will NEVER happen again anywhere.

Again, my personal opinion. I am asking that my opinion be allowed to stay here on Amazon for people to read. This is not meant to be anymore than truthful statements which I can sit for weeks and provide the evidence for them.

I do not want to write away from this site, because it provides even more attention to this group who have found no way to get attention except through writing in this comment section which feeds their hatred to google.

Thank you for letting me speak my piece. I have been the only 5 star commenter who is still here, besides the author who has witnessed this take place. My privacy has been invaded – and still is – without any attention to my reports of this, I have had to close my personal facebook, and now our nonprofit business activities are being attacked – and – me personally just yesterday. So, I have suffered, because attacking posts are left up here – yes, david – if you would like to copy this to your blog – or anyone else for that matter – be my guest. I know I am an idiot for staying here and am paying the price – okay – I accept that. I should be punished, as has been also told to me by this group. hmmm.”

I was neither in Omaha during the court period for Mark Anderson- nor do I know the specifics of his case.  What I knew was as an adult, and the boys that I knew along involved in the court case were WELL INTO THEIR TEENS.

I have made it quite clear I have no idea the guilt or innocence of Mark Anderson.  I just know that the boys involved were willing participants in the sex trade and that no one coerced them into it.  They, like so many of us= acted alone and on their own volition.

I am sick to death of fighting with a satanist who parades his genitals on tv and does such outrageous crap that he is to not be respected.  Acting like you are some sort of child advocate is SICKENING.  You only love yourself- as is shown through your many exploits with the media, and I do not have time to fool with you.

The conference in Seattle is going on in October- and though I am not directly involved with any of the planning or setting up- I will enjoy attending and watching for you so that I can throw your satanic butt out into the street when you try to get in- as you have with so many other conferences that have denied you access.  I have too much on my plate right now to worry about what your dumb ass is doing and talking about.

My sister does not pull my strings- and the only reason you have seen fit to attack her is that she VALIDATES my experiences- and thus you desperately need to attack her as well.  You attack ALL SURVIVORS OF ABUSE- and now are trying to crusade like you are some advocate.

So tell us Doug- how does all of this satanic crap benefit children?  You run your mouth- and talk out your ass- but really- doing some homosexual satanic ritual on the grave connected to the Westboro minister- complete with exposing your genitals- HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT SURVIVORS OF ABUSE?  You want to attack me- but really-have you looked at yourself lately?  You are a little boy trying to make a name for himself- and you will exploit whatever and use whoever you need to do that.  You are for DOUG MESNER and no one else.  Say what you want- but that is about how everyone sees it.

I don’t care if Mark Anderson molested a million boys- it doesn’t change the facts of MY PERSONAL ABUSE- nor does it change the facts about Omaha.  You grab onto anything you can little one- but it doesn’t make a difference.  I PERSONALLY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG- and I am not going to constantly defend myself from the like of you.

I just don’t have the time nor the inclination.