Unable to help talking about me even though I am banned and can not defend myself, I wanted to deal with some of the things that have been said about me today on Franklinfiles.net

Iowagurl,(Maureen gummert)…: I have never called David a single name and he had full license on this forum untill he went beserk on a long time member

This is true- but Maureen- as the web owner- has allowed everyone and anyone to criticize and trash me unabated- while I get shut down and kept quiet. However, this was not Maureen’s site to begin with- but rather the owner was a woman by the named of Rachel Bengly. SHE- as the owner of the site- personally attacked me- called me a pedophile- got my mine and my families social security numbers from my niece and gave them over the chat to Lukej/Noreen Gosch, have threatened me and accused me of being involved with murderers. I have had to call the police on this site NUMBEROUS times, esp. when I was told that I was going to be made to disappear on the site- all of which I have copies of.

Iowagurl/Marueen Gummert: David cannot blame Noreen for his ban and what person here, even if they do not like Mrs Gosch would publically accuse her of selling her son

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: which is what started this whole mess, lets not forget that

What started this was because I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT NOREEN GOSCH IS THE VICTIM SHE PRESENTS HERSELF TO BE. She has told me and others that her ex husband was involved with their son’s abduction- and then gets all angry when people wonder if she could have also been a part of it. The whole rift in this matter BEGAN actually when I started to question Paul Bonnaci- which is the whole connection for Noreen into the Franklin Scandal. It wasn’t that I accused Noreen of being involved with selling her son- which I DO BELIEVE FOR THE RECORD, but rather I began to believe that Paul Bonnaci was liar- in that he could tell you DETAILS about the Johnny Gosch case but can’t tell ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE about his own home town- where all of this was taking place. It was when I began to doubt Paul that Noreen suddenly took issue with me- which again- I HAVE COPIES OF.

CaptM: I think anybody that threatens sexual violence to another should be banned also
Looking1: CaptM – did you actually see David threaten anyone with sexual violence? Or is that simply what someone has told you?
CaptM: yes, I saw his message
Looking1: Is it saved somewhere?
Looking1: Yes, if it exists I will ask him about it myself
Looking1: My understanding is that someone claimed he threatened such a thing, but that he never did so.
CaptM: it is private, sorry, will not show any content
Looking1: IG, have you seen it?
CaptM: I am the only one that can verify.
Looking1: well then, you can understand how that can be questioned as valid, can you not?

This is just complete and utter bullshit from a member who HAS threatened me on line before- as well as ridiculing me as well. He has this proof that I threatened sexual violence on someone but can’t show the conversation- and that is because there isn’t any proof that such an argument exists because it NEVER HAPPENED. However, for Captn, he just says whatever sounds good.

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: and as I stated. David had free license since i took ownership of the site until the Marko incident which I believe was in September
Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: David and NOreens fallout happened several years ago and David needs to move on
Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: the discussion with Geo about the split of this forum with Nick bryant, whch happened 18 months ago was the catylyst of Davids accusation toward Noreen and her “selling: Johnny, how is that ok

the Marko incident is basically when I had the chance to defend myself against accusations of rape against me. Franklinfiles.net and people like Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert feel I should just take what is dealt to me and be happy that they didn’t do worse. I have had my privacy violated- I have been trashed verbally and in every way they could do damage to my reputation. These RANTS I go on- the only reason they call them rants is because I keep saying the same things over and over and over until someone starts to listen. Slowly that is happening.

And lastly- my favorite…

Iowagurl/Maureen Gummert: David sends his blog posts via email to everyone from CBS to the Nevada Iowa police department

True- but that is not what bothers them. What bothers them is that last night- when Capt accused me of making terroristic threats to rape people= I turned it into the police, specifically cold case detective John Pankonin. I mean- if I am threatening to rape people- that IS A SERIOUS CRIME AND THE ALLEGATIONS MUST BE LOOKED INTO. That is my opinion anyway.

THEN I GOT THIS EMAIL FROM IOWAGURL/MAUREEN GUMMERT TO ME AND DEPUTY JOHN PANKONIN…
Maureen

6:46 PM (9 minutes ago)

to me, Deputy
Lol! Nuff said?

Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone

SO I REPLIED……to Maureen, Deputy,

Not at all Maureen. And Deputy John isn’t working with me sweetie- I just send him this stuff cause he is a cop and he has responsibilities to the public.

But I tell ya what- I will finally sit down and start uploading all the info i have on my site. Once people see- like Deputy John here- that things aren’t quite how you make it out to be- then I think we might get some discussion from this. But since I have been threaten, lied about, called a pedophile- accused of making terroristic threats of rape, had my social security number and my famlies put over chat- and all over your defense of Noreen- which anyone who comes into the chat will see.

But I find it interesting that you contacted the police man today. lol Nuff said?

MAYBE MAUREEN WILL FIND DEPUTY JOHN TO BE MORE HELP THAN I EVER FOUND HIM TO BE. JUST SAYING.

CaptM: well, I sure wouldnt raise someone up that has threatened sexual violence to others in pm’s
Looking2: You’re telling me David Shurter has threatened to sexually abuse others?
CaptM: I think I was clear

http://www.franklinfiles.net/t51655471/anybody-know-about-this/
http://www.franklinfiles.net/t51729703/clearing-up-some-details/

There is also this assertion that I need to be heavily medicated, which I think would surprise both my therapist and my psychiatrist- who have determined that what I need is a small anti-depressant dosage, which helps take off the edge of my irritability. Why am I irritated? Because the arguments presented on the web concerning me are nothing but a smear campaign trying to discredit me. Connected to my sister Cindy’s family- they will do whatever they can to dig up dirt on me. Of course they are barking up the wrong tree there- as they will find that the stories change at will, and it is my intention to make ISSUE with this whole situation, since it has once again surfaced in Franklinfiles.net
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As far as Noreen’s issues with me- other than she thinks I am crazy- although I think that it is being suggested that I made sexual threats to her is just weird to me- but whatever. This side will say whatever it has to do to try and discredit me in any way that it can- instead of dealing with the issues that I present in my book. The other issue is my spiritual practice so I will try to spell it out quickly.

I am a practicing shaman- I DO NOT go to a shaman. I do not get my past from my journeys- and no one who reads my book will believe that my experiences all came from the outer realm. In fact- the info in boxes wasn’t written by me but rather an independent source that included the newspaper articles and documentation apart from any of my influence. As you can listen on my Talkshoe program with my interview with “jim”- anyone who was gay COULDN’T HELP but be part of Alan Baer and Larry Kings network- Proving my point that those who were involved with the investigation LEFT THIS OUT ON PURPOSE. There can be no other reason.

Looking3: Do you believe there are people paid to go on conspiracy themed forums and basically spout ridicule against those who provide info on real conspiracies?

Hmmm, I wonder- lol.

Serious accusations are being thrown my way by Captn on Franklinfiles.net so be sure you read until the end…

MobiusMan wrote:
I am more than willing to remove him from the site unless he changes his stance.

That seems about satus quo for this site. “Speak out against anything we tell you is the truth and we will remove you from the site.”

Meanwhile Noreen is allowed to spew her hatred against everyone, mistate things they have said, and have free range in regards to all of her actions without anything being done.

The biasness at this site and it’s blinded devotion to Noreen only hurts things surrounding shedding light on the Franklin case.

I can honestly tell you I was far more sympathetic to her situation and the fact people ridiculed her prior to being at this site and learning that her behavior brings it all upon herself.

I haven’t called her a nut or any other such names, yet I am the one being threatened with banishment from the site. Meanwhile Noreen has gone off with numerous insults against me and nothing – NOTHING – is said to her. In fact, all she gets is encouragement to keep on behaving in the awful manner she carries on in.

As for evidence Noreen, I haven’t demanded one shred of evidence. I don’t expect you to show me or anyone else any evidence. What I said is that if you aren’t going to provide it then why do you go on and on about how you posess all this information you can’t share? What purpose does that serve? All you do by stating such things is open the door for criticism to come you way – criticism which you clearly do not handle very well dispite the fact you bring it upon yourself.

As soon as anyone expresses a viewpoint that doesn’t fall in line with your own you go on an ugly rant about them. You call people names and then imply they are crazy, or wait, as it pertains to me I am of a “Diminished Mental Capacity.”

Tell me one name I have called you. Tell me one insult I have thrown your way.
I mean, heck, you even go off against people who are on your side at the mere thought of you miscontruing their intentions with things they say. You did this within the past week or so with geogaddi. You even eluded to thinking geogaddi may be working with or in favor of Nick Bryant and you quickly hopped on and dereided her for absolutely no good reason.

And in regards to “LukeJ” I don’t have any issue believing you have an investigator or mulitpile investigators on the case. I have accused you of using the “LukeJ” handle here as a cover for comments you sign on yourself and make. With that in mind I will be more precise in what I am claiming.

There may be some other person that posts using the LukeJ handle, but you have posted under that guise as well. Even your friend IowaGurl has let it be known that she used to think you were LukeJ. Numerous people in the past have stated the same thing.
And when David Shurter use to make the claim (when I was new to the site) I often asked why is he so hell bent on believing such a thing. I questioned him myself about it and regardless of his answer given I never believed he was correct in his assessment.
Well, over time I’ve come to realize that it is far more likely that you have, if not every time then at least on occassion, posted under the LukeJ persona.

It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the similiarities in tone and presentation between when you post as “Johnny’s Mom” and when you post as “LukeJ.” They are EXACTLY alike. You both make the same exact comments. You both go on the same exact tirades. You both have a short fuse that goes off at the slightest suggestion of someone saying they dare to question anything you’ve put forth regarding what happened to Johnny Gosch. And not only that, but you aren’t even clever enough to at least not switch to using the same font style and size when you post.

And on top of that LukeJ does not compose himself like a professional investigator in the slightest. He loses his cool far too quickly. He makes statements that no investigator would bother making on a public forum while partaking in an investigation – or likely at all.

Heck, he spends so much time here to begin with it leaves me wondering when is he doing his investgation to begin with. It makes zero sense that a private investigator would do all this investigating that he prefers be kept solely between himself and his client only to then go on a public forum and make little mention of things here and there. The fact he would come here and discuss anything about the case is ridiculous enough.

I am not the only person who has noticed this. Neither is David Shurter. There’s people you (or LukeJ) have spoken to which believe this, they simply don’t come forth and say it to you.

So yeah, might there be some investigator that the “LukeJ” persona is based upon? Sure. Might this mystery investigator have signed on as “LukeJ” at this site before and maybe even made posts at times? That’s not hard to believe either. But that’s not the point. The point is you have posted as LukeJ and used that handle on the chat box plenty of times.

So again, why don’t you keep that in mind before you rant and rave about people posting as “ANON” (again, that is despite the fact I made it known who I was in the chat. IG can back me on that if she so chooses).

And even worse is that as soon as I come forth and state clearly who I am within this post I am than threated with being removed from the site because you guys don’t like what I have to say? Is that really how things work around here? If that’s the case then this site shouldn’t be trusted for much of anything.
How many people have already been run off of here because of issues directly related to Noreen anyway?

And again, tell me one insult I have thrown your way since you have clearly thrown numerous ones at me despite the fact you know far less about me then I know about you (whether you like it or not Noreen, you are a public figure. That’s not to say I know you well, but I certainly know more about you than you know about me).

I haven’t called you a single name. All I have done is openly express my thoughts about things while also stating my belief that if nothing else you have posted as LukeJ on this site at times. And I’ve given the reasons why I believe that to be the case. I’d love to know how that warrants me being considered for banishment from the site for any reason.

Noreen and Paul Bonacci have gone and dismissed EVERYTHING David Shurter discusses about this case and yet they are always more than welcome here at Franklin Files. They are treated like “untouchables” within this community. They have flat out called him crazy. Noreen (and/or LukeJ) have mocked his religious beliefs. And not only that, but they have claimed the ordeals he has suffered to be totally false. That he has made every last bit of it up.

If anyone dared to say the same about Noreen or Paul Bonacci they’d quickly be run of the site. I’m being threatened with that very thing simply because I’ve openly stated my throughts regarding certain things here – namely the LukeJ being Noreen thing.
I haven’t doubted her story. I haven’t claimed she is a liar (regarding things about the Johnny Gosch case). I haven’t called her crazy or partaken in any name calling. Yet for some reason I am a “bad” guy all of the sudden because I dared to say something that doesn’t fall in line with devotion to and “pro-Noreen” stance this site clearly holds.

AND WHILE I WAS READING THIS- THIS WAS THE CHAT IN THE ROOM AT 1112 PM ON FRANKLINFILES.NET FROM A MODERATOR… JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT I AM TRULY DEALING WITH

CaptM: well, I sure wouldnt raise someone up that has threatened sexual violence to others in pm’s
Looking2: You’re telling me David Shurter has threatened to sexually abuse others?
CaptM: I think I was clear

This abuse accusation comes from my niece Melissa at the same time Mark was accusing me of raping them- she told everyone on Franklinfiles.net that I called and left a message on her answering machine threatening to rape her then three year old daughter- (who lived in Seattle at the time), if she didn’t stop Mark on his rant. I DID call her- and was incredibly angry- but never ONCE did I threaten any kind of abuse- let alone to travel 3000 miles in order to stalk and rape her daughter. However- this was in the EXACT time frame when Mark got on claiming abuse. Again- I HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THIS. Again- this happened at a time that I was banned- much like tonight- when Capt- who HAS threatened me with violence, albeit through lame innuendos- tonight proclaimed on the chat that I was some sort of sexual deviant. And correct me if I am wrong but I think he suggested I threatened sexual violence against Noreen Gosch. Can I hear a big EEEWWWWWWW? Again- this is being said in a way that I can’t defend myself except on my blog and my never ending email list.

I will reply to this posting later- but I wanted to show Noreen’s comments.

Noreen/Lukej…. I read all the clatter and chatter from last night and I must say people were really wound up. Since much of the comments were about me, I feel I am entitled to respond.

First to Mr. Anon… I do hope you have a membership so you can read this. You related a lot of rather catty remarks against me. Everything from MY DECISION to not release certain information on Johnny’s case to the fact it was becoming “old to you”. Well…. my my IT IS OLD TO ME TOO. 30 years worth of working this case buster and paying for it. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is ????? I have not noticed you making any contribution to any case, yet you come to this forum as an “ANON”, for God sake… Put your name to your statements or are you afraid? And the next time you criticize the way a case is being handled, maybe you should walk in the shoes of the person handling the case. Oh but wait, first you would have to give up your child ( if you have one) for 30 years to be able to make statements with any amount of validity. You have no clue what goes on in a real kidnapping case when it is “HUMAN TRAFFICKING”..

I do not care that you think this is getting OLD to you. Johnny is MY SON …. beginning and end of it. I make the decisions about this case not you or anyone like you. Here you are Mr. Big Mouth Anon, demanding all the sensitive details on Johnny’s case and you don’t even use your own name. When I discovered the police were not investigating this case, thus the beginnig of the cover up. I hired good investigators and for 30 years have conducted my own investigation. There are many things the police do not know because they did not investigate leads which came in on the case. I DID. And for you to say “this is not the way the case works”…. Wake up this is the way Johnny’s case is working. The sensitive information on the case has not been revealed and it will remain that way until it is prudent to release it. I know how, who and why Johnny was kidnapped. I know Johnny is alive and where he is located. Johnny is where he needs to be and if HE DECIDES to change that status then he will and I will supply my DNA to identify him if it is necessary. But why would he want to ever return to being Johnny Gosch? People like you or maybe YOU, would challenge his identity, challenge what ever he might say about his situation/ kidnapping. Johnny and other victims have witnessed from a distance what was done to Paul Bonacci when he came forward to help and speak the truth. Paul helped me a great deal and I admire him for doing it… coming forward was not easy and he suffered because of his honesty.

As for Luke, he has been a trusted member of the investigative staff with the Johnny Gosch Foundation for years. No Luke is not his real name… but it is a name that he uses here… Sort of like you ANON.. don’t you use ANON, so no one knows who you are when you make your idiot statements. Why on earth would any investigator use their real name here? Luke is not me…. I am not Luke but you will never be given his real name. Get over it!

And now for the David Shurter topic. David Shurter has attacked everyone…. John DeCamp, Paul Bonacci and me. He has accused people of many things. I do not have anything to do with David, met him once and that was enough for me. David shared with me and the immediate world that he gets his information from a shaman in a trance. Well bless him… but that doesn not make his information true, AS HE WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO BELIEVE. I understand he is on another rampage and has sent out a letter accusing me of a crime. Now I have already contacted an attorney some time ago about David’s accusations towards me and I have grounds for a law suit against him. However, he doesn’t have a POT TO PISS IN… so why would I spend my time going after some idiot, who simply goes off his rocker periodically and attacks people. This has been going on for years and yes Luke has called him out on it in the chat area a few times. Where is it written that my team cannot defend ourselves against an attacker? David started all of this years ago, I have no idea why… no one ever did anything to him to have produced this behavior. He is however heavily medicated and I do suspect he periodically needs to be re-evalated or he goes off the meds for the thrill of it. His attacks on John DeCamp and Paul are equally idiotic and everyone knows it.

Mr. Anon, I have met people like you before and they amuse me! Blowing off your mouth criticizing others, demanding information on one of the biggest kidnapping cases in the country just for your curiosity and amusement. If you had all this information that you feel you are entitled to what would you then do? Pick it apart? Criticize it? Then post how you don’t believe this or that fact? I bet you would do all of the above. I rarely post anything on any website or chat area, I have too much to do. I consult on many other kidnapping cases as requested.

Mr. Anon, have you written and passed any laws to protect children? Testified at any Senate Hearings? Established the finger printing program in the US … prior to what is available through new technology today? Did you help with your testimony before the Justice Dept. to appropriate the first 10 million dollars to start the National Center for Missing Children? Were you invited to be on over 50 Network TV shows? Did you give over 800 speeches to large organizations with audiences of 1200 to 1500 people, churches, schools ( working with the kids) ? Have you done even one of these above mentioned things ? No you say…. WELL I HAVE DONE THEM ALL. Be careful who you pick on Mr. Anon…. it might just bite you on the nose.

Noreen N. Gosch and I AM JOHNNY’S MOM

Looking…

Noreen, I am “Anon” or “Mr. Big Mouth” as you claim. I made it known during the chat as well by the way.

How about you quit hiding behind your “LukeJ” nonsense and actually speak for yourself from now on before you go and criticize others?

All this is is another rant from you criticizing anyone who doesn’t fall right in line with everything you think and say. You’ve done it numerous times in the past and this site always allows you to do so for some reason – as if you are more of a victim than anyone else that is a victim.

You aren’t the only one to deal with hardship, so you might as well quit acting like you are. You aren’t the only one to lose a child, so again, quit with acting like you are.

You (or your alter ego LukeJ) constantly state how there is so much information always coming about regarding Johnny’s case, yet you never present it. You claim you can’t.

Well if you can’t present it, why in the world do you mention it to begin with? What does that accomplish? You invite the criticism you despise so much upon yourself. YOU and YOU alone are the one who continuously places yourself and your son’s story in the spotlight.

You then bemoan the fact people have the audacity to take an interest in you and/or the Johnny Gosch case when it doesn’t fall in line with the guidelines you wrongly feel should be followed.

You don’t own the story. You don’t control the public. And again, you invite all the criticism upon yourself. YOU place yourself in the spotlight you claim you really don’t want.

I’d tell you I’m truly sorry for your loss (which I am), but I know it means nothing to you coming from someone who “dares” to challenge your view of things. You’d likely find a way to turn it into a “bad” thing anyhow.

You are so quick to point a finger at, criticize, and call others names, yet God forbid anyone dare do the same to you. Do you not see the hypocrisy you partake in?

It’s disheartening how certain people involved in this Franklin Scandal have come to be regarded with a “celebrity” status and therefore “can’t” be questioned or challanged regarding anything they state without going off on a rant about those who do so.

The story and situation extends far beyond you and Johnny.

And before you get so hung up on feeling it’s crazy for anyone to question your role regarding the case (not that I am doing so), perhaps you should keep in mind that you yourself believe your ex-husband was involved in Johnny’s abduction.

How is it any more bizarre for others to think that if a father could do such a thing to their child that a mother could as well?

Get over yourself. If you don’t want the spotlight on you stop putting yourself in it. And quit being so ridiculously hypocritical with your comments about other victims and the manner in which you address others when you have zero clue as to what hardships they have dealt with in their life.

You aren’t the only one who suffers Noreen. And when you continuously keep yourself in the spotlight only to then criticize others it is more than fair for others to begin doing the same to you.

Noreen/Lukej….
No one is trying to control the public… but I do control what information is released on Johnny’s case.

That is the way it is and all of your attacks will not change a thing. I do not bemoan the fact that people are interested in the case. I just do not intend to release all information to people. If this case goes to court,it is not prudent to have certain facts floating in the public domain. Anyone with “one eye and an ass” could figure that out. You show your ignorance by the way you spew forth on Johnny’s case, it is clear you really do not know what is going on concerning these cases. You have a lot to learn.

Thank you Banjo, people love to write and attack me for all sorts of things. I think it gives them a “high of some sort” Yet when I state how the case is being conducted and that it is my decision as to what is released they become all offended and rant on and on.

I the chat there was talk that this loud mouth had never seen Luke so therefore he doesn’t exist. Well just where are they supposed to have set up a meeting so “loudmouth” could “view Luke”.????? I have never seen the loudmouth in person so therefore he does not exist either…. People are so f_____king stupid it is pathetic. I appreciate the support Banjo… Thank

He will no doubt rant on and on much like David S. always did. He thinks he can attack me in chat to various people and that I have no right to make statements … He or she needs step into reality. The very things he/she wrote indicate a “DMC”… Diminished Mental Capacity.

Thanks again Banjo…

From my sister on Facebook… This whole situation is very disturbing to me. It feels very much like there has to be “victim status” established somewhere. Noreen, why in God’s name, do you think you are the only victim in this???? There are many survivors of this crap in Omaha, and they all know about the many that did not survive. What makes you expert over all of our experiences???? So, you talk to our sister’s children. Big deal. Her children grew up in Florida, and they aren’t old enough to validate a damn thing. I, on the other hand, am 57 years old. I have a story to tell, and it is not the same story that you tell. What’s more, I know many others who lived through this same nightmare. You would dismiss us all as crazy? Really? Wow. That’s a pretty big brush you are painting with, isn’t it?

From what I understand, you now are saying that you never spoke to me. What a crock! Just for the record, there are phone records. I had vonage back then, and they kept records of every incoming (and outgoing call). I can prove that you called me many times.

I am not attacking you. However, your opinion does not override my experiences in any way. I will state what is true above all else. Frankly, I don’t like this topic, and I usually prefer to remain silent on it. However, your constant attacks on my brother disturb me. I don’t care if you have given a jillion interviews or who you know. I care only about the truth.

I agree with the moderator of the site, Iowagurl- that there has been a lot of water under the bridge- but I wish to explain my side- since I am, once again, banned from the site.

On the site- while I was banned before- my sister Cindy’s oldest son Mark went on and accused me of raping him and his brothers. None of this was true- but I when I made the comment that it showed that all was not right in the house in Graettinger, it suddenly switched to me raping three DIFFERENT boys in a corn silo. When it dawned on them exactly what a corn silo was, the story then changed to say that I raped three boys in Minnesota. Either way- Mark kept insisting that I should be ignored because I was supposedly a pedophile. ALL OF THIS occurred on Franklinfiles.net and I have copies of the whole conversation.

Last night- Iowagurl told people that I got banned because of an argument I had with a member named MarkO- whom I believe is my nephew once again. It is true that I was harsh in the conversation- and that I got personal- but you have to understand- this guy has done nothing but start crap for me- and the lies that pour out of this idiot’s mouth are not only numerous- but they also generally don’t make any sense. My sister’s kids fought me in order to keep their father from being investigated with regards to my sister Cindy’s death- as it is an undeniable fact that Adult Protection Services were involved because my sister was telling people- including her doctors and nurses that her husband and oldest daughter were planning on murdering her. However, in our conversation a while back- I expressed my pleasure that my sister’s widow is now dead and, thus, the kids have lost the meal ticket they were fighting so hard for. To say that I despise my sister Cindy’s children is an understatement- and no one who has had any dealings with this group has walked away impressed.

I also have Noreen Gosch on Franklinfiles.net constantly calling me crazy- trying her hardest to trash me by bringing up my spiritual practice and the fact that I am on medication from my experiences as a child. However- she doesn’t go on as Noreen- but rather someone by the name of Lukej- who, again- last night- it was brought up by yet another member that these two- Noreen and Lukej- are the same person (Noreen Gosch herself). Iowagurl will go on and on about how her site is for victims to come forward- and I believe that- but I think that it is actually to find and trash anyone who stands against the official story that Noreen Gosch, John DeCamp, and Paul Bonnaci have given. Franklinfiles is a site DEDICATED to Noreen and her story- and anyone who stands against that generally finds themselves banned eventually.

I do have to admit that I appreciate that Iowagurl has done her best to keep my name off the site- although she couldn’t help herself yesterday after what I posted on my blog. Anyone who stands against the official story of Franklin will find themselves out of place on the site- as it is a tribute to those who I believe are distractions from the real truth as to what was happening here in Omaha. I don’t mind being banned from the site- I have enough people checking on it for me that I am able to keep abreast as to what is being said- and as Iowagurl pointed out- I not only respond through my “world-wide email list”, which Iowagurl is on, but I am good at posting it on my blog and other social media sites.

However, I couldn’t let yesterday’s conversation in the chat on the site go without saying something in my own defense, since I admittedly send people to the site to check it out. I have been trashed repeatedly on the site- more so than anyone else I believe. In fact- they have recently deemed me “he who must not be named” (their words- not mine). As you can tell by this posting, that same is not true for me- I’ll talk about whoever I feel is necessary to bring up in this mess. And like it was commented on in the chat last night- regardless of what these people do or say- it DOES say something that I post EVERYTHING under my name and take responsibility for all of it. Unlike Noreen Gosch- who hides under the name Lukej so that she can openly trash anyone she feels disagrees with her without having to take responsibility for it.

A child abduction that occurred in West Des Moines, IA has no business being wrapped up in what was happening here in Omaha- and yet- for 30 years the public has been entertained with implausible stories coming from the Gosch camp, a distraction from the real truth of exactly what was occurring here in Nebraska. When looked at with a critical eye- very little of it makes any sense. And it is this belief that has REALLY gotten me banned from Franklinfiles.net- rather than any argument I have had with fellow members.

From what I understand, the honeymoon is over concerning these two camps- and I would like to take a minute to throw in my own two cents- since I have had personal experiences with both Noreen Gosch and Nick Bryant. It is and has been my contention that an abduction that occurred in West Des Moines, IA should have nothing to do with the events that surrounded a failed savings and loan in another state, and this fall out is just another example as to why.

Simply put- Nick Bryant, for his own personal gain, tried to flush out the abducted Johnny Gosch out from hiding on Indian Reservations, much to Noreen Gosch’s dismay- who basically threw a fit (like usual) and cut off all contact, even though Nick Bryant’s upcoming documentary has everything to do with the Johnny Gosch kidnapping in relation to events that played out here in Omaha. Well, sort of. Most of the info is mumbo jumbo bogus info designed to muddle the waters and make it as unbelievable as possible, or at least judging from his book- which is just another rendition of a book that was written years previously by an ex Nebraska senator by the name of John DeCamp simply named “The Franklin Cover-Up”.

Personally- I don’t think that there is a Johnny to flush out from hiding- as the only one that has supposed contact with him is Noreen Gosch- and to say that she has ulterior motives for doing so is putting it lightly. I think that Johnny WAS sold- as Noreen suggests in her book “Why Johnny Can’t Come Home” with her conversations about her husband taking a “Noreen Gosch double” to John DeCamp’s office. She has told me that she believes her ex-husband sold Johnny, whereas I wonder if both parents weren’t in the deal- and now, considering that Noreen has based her entire life on her son’s disappearance, certainly she has more to lose at this point if it was determined that Johnny Gosch is , in fact, deceased, than anyone else around.

All of the stories surrounding Johnny Gosch surviving his ordeal come from the same camp- Noreen Gosch, John DeCamp, Paul Bonnaci, some guy named Jimmy, and someone named Lukej on Franklinfiles.net- who I believe is Noreen herself, (an assertion I am not alone in making, as recently as in the past couple of weeks, when it was suggested the same thing by yet another member of Franklinfiles). No one else has reported the man to be alive- nor is there anyone but this group who can confirm the stories that have been told, as they have ONLY originated from this camp. No one else- in 30 years- has come forward claiming any knowledge. Noreen will claim that I don’t know what her side knows- but then- that is a constant for anyone asking detailed questions. Put another way- the Gosch camp simply is just not talking- to me or anyone else.

I think that there is a reason why the Gosch case has been so intertwined with the Franklin Case, and that it has been for smoke and mirrors to keep those who would seek the truth enamored with the media presentations from Gosch, DeCamp, and Bonnaci in order to prevent anyone from looking further. From actually discovering the truth- and that truth being that those who have presented themselves as Leaders for the Cause are anything but. In fact, I think that this group has done more to deter the truth from reaching the public than any other group associated with Franklin at this time. However, now that the camps seem to be dividing, perhaps the truth will have a chance to come out this time. God knows it is time.

http://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-live-8th-november-2012

I guess, from what I hear, the world is going to end this month. I also hear that Jesus Christ is going to descend from whatever dimension of time and space he ascended to, disappearing until this presumed time of destiny when all of the devout followers are going to be saved. As such, there are many out there quoting scripture from a book seemingly in an attempt to convert followers, although it has been my experience that most just look at it as preachy. Overzealous in their desire to convert, I would rather learn from a sinner than be preached at by a saint- esp. considering that none of us are without our mistakes and the hypocrisy of the pious nature in which the message is generally delivered is enough to turn me off immediately, doing more harm than good. I don’t think I am alone.

First of all, I don’t believe that the world is going to end this month. I might burn in hell for that one, but I just don’t.

Secondly, years ago, in a Scientific America, I read about when the world turned 1000. The entire population convinced itself that the world was going to end and this is when Christianity took a significant hold as the world’s religion. The whole situation was deemed “Millennial Hysteria”- and it is my contention that we are in such a time again, turning 2000, although we have prolonged it for twelve years with this belief that it was going to happen in 2012. I also contend that what we as a people should be concerned with is the year 2013 or 2014- when it finally dawns on people that this “predestined” time is not an appointment from the Divine that Heaven is coming for a visit. It will be this time that hope will be at its lowest, and –judging by things so far- people will be despairing, (unless you really believe that the weather is going to fix itself, along with every world government- not to mention picking up financially). I guess it is growing up in a cult- my father and his friends didn’t believe that the world was going to end either.

No, in fact, they believed that the upcoming time would be the ripe time for takeover- because the people would be lost and looking for a savior. Having no faith in any savior descending from the sky, I was taught that the world would go on- and people would be controlled. Race would rise up against race, brother would rise up against brother until, in the end, the forces of government would reign down on us all and bring us to the point of slavery. Tyranny is always easier when the people are most vulnerable. It just a logical dissention of events, and unless Jesus Christ is actually going to save us on Dec. 23, 2012- it is something that is best if we all keep in mind.

The third point I would like to make is that Satanists can quote the Bible back and forth, inside and out, upside and down as well, but it is through our acts of faith and love in which we are beholden- not what we say and how we preach. Judge not lest you be judged yourself and the first commandment of Jesus Christ was Love. It is okay if you speak your faith, but better it be seen rather than heard. It is time we focus on converting the SYSTEMS and stop focusing on each other. It is time that we see and take responsibility for the big picture and work to change the world around us- by being the very people we wish to see in the world. And for Gods sake- stay the hell out of each other’s bedrooms. We need to stop being these tabloid seeking, Bible reading robots and become the citizens of the world that we are supposed to become. That means going out and LIVING the scriptures, not quoting them to shame others in order to set yourselves above and apart from your brothers and sisters.

The world needs us now- more than ever, and it is time that each of us start rising to the occasion and doing what we can to fix what has become seriously broken. More than that- we need each other. Emotionally, intellectually, spiritually- our need has become great and it is time that we stop adhering to old prophecy and rituals and go forward with a faith in mankind- which is the whole point God put us here in the first place. We are going to need each other if we are going to survive the days ahead- and let me assure you- there are plenty of them facing us. We must rouse each other and bring ourselves to attention, and most of all- start reaching out to your brother with love. This, after all, WAS Jesus first commandment. Love God- love your brother- love yourselves. In that order.

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Episode One– My guest is Renata Murry, activist and beloved T.I. (targeted individual). We speak about the targeting program, the “non-lethal” microwave and sonic weaponry that is being used against activists and all those who would stand against the crimes of government, as well as introducing the concept of “organized stalking” where a person is systematically stalked by a group of people rather than the traditional way a stalker is thought of. Renata has her own talkshoe radio programs as well as developing an upcoming website, and is a brilliant and strong woman.

Episode Two– Renata Murry returns and she actually interviews me. We speak about the Michigan case I am interested in getting investigated, as well as talking a lot about my past as a satanist in relation to her beliefs being raised as a Christian. Renata’s numbers for her Talkshoe.com programs are 114616# and

Episode Three– Doug Millar, activist and a 20 year investigator in crimes against children, speaks about the link between Col. Michael Aquino, our government, and crimes of a satanic nature. A compendium of information, he details his research on the call and details his experiences with the Bohemian Grove as well, sharing his insight. His nightly internet radio program is on CrusadeRadio.com at 6pm Pacific standard time, and his phone number is 707-396-8215 and, like me, publishes this number publicly.

Episode Four– Doug Millar returns and details his personal experiences with Col. Michael Aquino. Furthering his explanations into his investigation, he gives a personal perspective of being involved with trying to expose some incredibly powerful people, esp. in his home country of Sonoma where the Bohemian Grove is located.

Episode Five– Omaha historian David Holland, author of “A Fragmented History of Omaha from 83″, the most highly read article on DavidShurter.com, talks us through a Halloween special as we discuss the history of serial killers who have either originated or have come through Omaha- most notably Charles Manson, and his connection to Boystown and E. Brandeis- who was a CIA connection and strong public influence on Omaha living at the time. Giving a historical look at Omaha serial killers, we discuss a case as far back as the 20′s, as well as detailing several in the past decades.

Episode Eight– My guest is a good friend of mine named Jim, who knew and grew up with many of the same acquaintances as I, as well as attending many of the parties thrown in town. A “Baer boy”, he details his life as it was when he was a kid who hit the streets in Omaha when the events surrounding Franklin Credit were at their highest.Reminiscing about what Omaha was like when we were kids, Jim helps give a good and insightful perspective as to what Omaha life was like back as a child of the 80s

Episode Nine– DeJoly LaBrier, author of “All Together Now: A Multiple’s Story of Hope and Healing” which is sold, not only on Amazon.com but also on her website DeJoly.com – details her life growing up as a victim of government torture, ritual abuse, and experimentation. As a survivor, she split apart with different personalities from the abuse, and had to find the way to healthy surviving as a result. Giving a personal, in depth interview, discussing the particulars of what it is like to suffer from Dissociative Identity Disorder (once called Multiple Personality Disorder), she gives her insight in what life is like healed and looking back.

Episode Ten– Keely Dorran, accomplished Northern California area artist, MKUltra survivor, and devout Mormon speaks not only of her past and her tribulations as a survivor of torture, but of undiminished faith in God and her Mormon beliefs. Listen as we discuss redemption, faith, and healing as we explore the similarities of what it is like to be a survivor although having different spiritual convictions. Giving her personal observations, she exemplifies a true Christian in the Mormon faith. Keely has a website on which her artwork can be viewed- and that is keelydorran.com

As far as your question to me- the answer is simple. There have been NO convictions, and with the False Memory Foundations help- which has early connections to NAMBLA (the North American Man Boy Love Association), the government has basically had a crackdown on anyone investigating such claims.

A good example of what I am speaking about is again Col. Michael Aquino. A satanist- he has committed many atrocities, been involved with the Presidio Day care scandal where children were claiming to be satanically abused, but because he was so high up in the CIA and head of the NSA for a period of time, the government demanded that all files be destroyed on Aquino in the name of national security. He has been protected throughout his entire career, which is why he has never seen jail or been persecuted in any way.

As far as any convictions, there has been a systematic push by the American government to prevent any investigations into such activity. This is an issue- as we have seen that child abuse is under reported- not over stated. The Presidio was one of many daycares that expressed problems- like McMartin and the half dozen other daycares in that area- one of which was a Catholic daycare in Long beach. All of the issues surrounding the daycares throughout the nation that were being reported- like the child abuse that was going on in Omaha, (which is presented in the British documentary “Conspiracy of Silence” on YouTube), was all shoved under the carpet- compliments of the FBI and the CIA. There SHOULD HAVE BEEN convictions but due to a systematic court involvement- it was botched so bad that no indictments were handed down- let alone any convictions.

Regardless though- none of this has anything whatsoever to do with Sybil- who never once professed to be satanically ritual abuse survivor. Our nations history with “satanic panic” has nothing to do with Sybil or DID- but rather dealt with matters concerning child abuse that lacked any real investigations into their merit- and much of that was played out in the McMartin court fiasco when all of the issues got trashed in the media blitz of the whole mess.

Just because there were no convictions- doesn’t mean there wasn’t merit for such convictions.

then…later on… in a different post to different arguments…

You might want to read my book on the subject. The situations here in Omaha dealt a GREAT DEAL with satanism.

How many people went to jail over something that was deemed a social hysteria? That is a typical argument- however- I don’t see any statistics as to the numbers of ACTUAL cases. No one here in Omaha has ever been charged with such a thing- and I personally haven’t heard anything anywhere else. Except for the case of Richard Hamlin- who was a doctor in the armed forces who was trying to break up a drug ring on his base. His family ended up murdered- and he went to jail for it- although he claimed, and has a great deal of evidence and testimony- that a group of people in a cult came in and killed them.

The reason why satanism in this country has been covered up, I believe, is because it is directly related and associated with the MKUltra project, of which I was a victim. This is the real reason that these cases have been covered up- and Alecia Owen- the jailed victim who they charged with perjury- was a PERFECT example of what I am talking about when I say there was a systematic attempt to shut down EVERY VICTIM that was involved with this= by throwing the book at someone who- as a CHILD- carried ex Omaha Police Chief Robert Wadman’s baby.

There might not YET be any charges against those who practiced the occult here in Omaha- but YET is the key word. There are many of us who believe that the Franklin case and the Sandusky case are directly linked by many of the same people- and again- was more about a child sex trafficking ring than anything else. The satanism that was being practiced was ALSO used to discredit all the other claims- at least here in Omaha- and so I don’t believe that there are many who went to jail during satanic panic. Again- as it is now- it has been deemed a hysteria- and so I doubt that the judicial system convicted anyone- McMartin being a perfect example of what I am talking about.

I am not a “satan hunter” but I know what I and many others- including members of my family- experienced and endured in Omaha and so, honestly- I have to admit that it is true that I have a different agenda than most here. I am going to do my best and expose what happened here in Omaha- and when that happens- this question of not having anyone truly involved with satanism and government will be over. There is a DEFINITE link- and only those who don’t wish to see it are unable to do so.