Mr. Misicko, of course I have questions for you- but you seem to have a psychological problem in that you only answer in circular arguments that have little to nothing to do with the question asked. There is more to you than what people are seeing in here- and you seem to be compelled to work against anyone who supports SRA, DID, and our governments involvement with much of that. I WISH I would have been at the SMART conference the year before- because, like you, I am excellent in seeing through BS- however, unlike you, I was trained by Col. Michael Aquino to be far more dissecting. Why do you have this almost obsessive compulsion to make yourself known all over the web as a False Memory advocate by trashing anything and anyone who might come forward to express their memories of being abused with SRA and ritual abuse in general? Why did you even bother to go to the SMART conference- and why did you have to go there under false pretenses? You have so many aliases and have spent so much time lying about who you are- why would anyone trust anything you have to say? And the biggest question that I want to know is- are you involved like Douglas Dietrich is, with satanist Col. Michael Aquino or his group in any way? You seem to be an apologist for Aquino at best- and so it makes me wonder how involved this group is trying to sway public opinion (such as yourself) and why are you all fighting so hard if the books that come out are mere rantings of lunatics. One of my booksellers got a three o’clock in the morning “visit” from someone who threatened his wife and house in order to prevent him from selling my books- so with that aspect alone- it can’t really be said that my story is lunatic rantings, so it will be interesting to see what you have to say about my memoir.

Oh- AND IT IS FREE TODAY ON AMAZON KINDLE- SO THERE IS NO REASON YOU CAN’T READ IT. IT IS CALLED RABBIT HOLE- A SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE SURVIVOR’S STORY AND SINCE YOU HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT- MY LAST NAME IS SPELLED S*H*U*R*T*E*R

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I am once again offering Rabbit Hole: A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor’s Story for FREE tomorrow just to give people another chance to read it themselves, or share the experience with others. The info is no good unless it is out there, and I think that periodically offering the book for free helps get the info out there in mass. Esp. considering what is going on with Jimmy Saville in the UK right now, I think that understanding the validity of satanic ritual abuse is imperative for the public.

Thanks in advance!!

David — Years from now if 22 Faces is discussed at all, I can say with all due humility, the best thing that will be said about it is that I wrote a review of it. Now you’re asking me to do the same favor for your blog. I really don’t think many people read your blog, David. And as for debating you, I’ve already had a few exchanges with you in your vying for attention, and it’s quite apparent that you don’t know what debate IS, nor do you know what relevant facts are in a discussion. A case in point is the fact that you bring this idea up here. How is it relevant to 22 Faces? It is your position that Satanic Ritual Abuse is a real phenomenon (however you define it). Therefore, 22 Faces is a true story? Is that your logic?
Let’s look at it this way — let’s pretend for a moment that your concept of Satanic Ritual Abuse is as common and mundane as robbery. Nobody doubts robbery exists. Now let’s say that 22 Faces was the story of a woman with ESP, who was born under the auspice of prophecy, suffered demonic possession, met Jesus, etc. — but she was ROBBED by a levitating man in an alleyway.
Now, would you and Felicity defend this story from the skeptics by declaring “robbery is real”, and that to deny this story was to deny the victims of robbery peace?
David, you want to “debate” me on the topic of Satanic Ritual Abuse? What makes you think you’re qualified to do so? Because you claim to have been Satanically Abused? So you want to debate me about your story? Or you want to debate me about 22 Faces (because you seem to think your cry for attention has a place here)? What is it, exactly, that makes you think you have an expertise on the broad topic at all?
So I guess we’ll have that debate right here where neither of us have to worry about selective editing.

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So I replied on Amazon…

Well Doug- I am just going to cut and paste your replies on my blog- since I would rather have what I reply NOT removed by Amazon- which you have a tendency to do. It is interesting that you complain about selective editing and yet you are guilty of doing just that on here.

I have had arguments with you before- that is true- and you fail to live up to your reputation, in that I generally find that you’ll attack without supporting your situation with any logic. Anyway- whatever we post WILL go up on my blog since people DO read it- and I would rather that venue than on Amazon- where you suggest that I am crying for attention.

I don’t need attention- but you are right in a way- in that eventually you will find that I am DEMANDING your attention. Criticizing me personally is what you are good at- lets see if you are as good debating the facts of the situation.

This situation with Jimmy Saville being part of a satanic group- how exactly does that fit with your notion that there is no evidence of any satanic wrong doing? I am not going to debate Twenty Two Faces- it isn’t my story. However- you are more than welcome to read what I have on my blog- and check out my book Rabbit Hole- A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor’s Story. There are no stories of levitation or anything like that- and I think it would be interesting to hear what you have to say about it.

That is if you aren’t too afraid of me and would rather keep attacking Felicity, which at this point doesn’t look to promising.

This is an invitation to respond to me on my blog- as I will publish your arguments in league with my own. I think that this is more appropriate than doing such on Amazon, and considering the hits that I get on my blog- it will reach a much bigger audience this way. I would like to publicly debate the issues of Ritual Abuse, Satanic Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, Satanic Panic, and child soldiering on the part of our government with you on my blog, and I assure you that I will be consistent on publishing your arguments as well as answering those that I disagree with. My blog is at https://davidshurter.com and I look forward to you joining me on what will prove to be an enlightening experience for everyone involved.

Rupert Murdock gets in trouble for eavesdropping on celebrities, and this creepy Jimmy Saville is supposedly one of UKs biggest- so your telling me that NO ONE suspected anything about Saville? How is that possible? You can’t have a huge eavesdropping case before you and then feign ignorance to something as large as what Saville was supposedly part of- it doesn’t work. So I guess that not only was Murdock’s company trashing celebrities, they were also working to keep things like Saville and his whole satanic thing quiet and away from the public at the same time, or at least that is how it seems to me.

Kinda like what our media has done with the child prostitution surrounding Sandusky and the whole Penn State scandal. If you think about it- it is pretty sickening.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370439/Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring

I just so happened to run across a posting on Facebook that had a link to a society and culture page on Examiner.com that had an article written by Douglas Mesner entitled “Nightmare Psychiatry: Delusions of Satan, ET abduction, and the cultivation of false memories” that was so full of falsehoods that I feel compelled to not only share the article but speak out against Mesner’s outlandish claims that the yearly S.M.A.R.T. conference (Stop Mind Control and Ritual Abuse Today) is a “cult-like conspiracy theory-based collective”, not to mention that the title of the article itself is inflammatory and false. Misrepresenting himself and obtaining admittance into a conference under false pretenses, he was planning on “exposing” the SMART conference from the very beginning and as such, he has not only gone on to misrepresent the facts of Neil Brick’s conference, but has personally attacked any and all who would go against Mesner’s opinions. Well, now I guess he can add me to the list.

It is no secret that I have attended SMART conference for the past three years, and have spoken for the past two years- a fact that I am very proud of. It is also true that I didn’t start attending until 2010- a year after Mesner’s charade, so I can’t speak for certain what he experienced and didn’t experience. However, having worked with Neil Brick, not only as a speaker at the conference but also as a co-founder of the North American Truth and Reconciliation Coalition, I can- with some certainty, say that Mesner’s accounting of his experience is mostly fabricated- and since his intention was to discredit the issues that the SMART conference has dealt with for 16 years now, I feel his deceptions are the only genuine parts of the man’s character. However, my intent is to deal with Mesner’s assumptions and not to defend Neil Brick, who is simply a colleague of mine and has no need of me to defend anything about him. His work and his website at ritualabuse.us stand on its own merit, and Mr. Brick doesn’t need me or anyone else to speak in defense of, what I feel is impeccable research.

Mesner’s push to claim that all people who have attended the past SMART conferences follow Dr. Colin Ross is absurd, esp. since I had no idea who this person even was until recently. In the three years that I have attended the conference- what I have found is a group of people who are just grateful that they can talk about their experiences of being tortured by our own government and be supported by the professionals that generally attend- and those include therapists, social workers, and other victim advocates that are connected with national organizations. Mesner calls upon the influences of Ross, but has been my experience that people such as Dr. Randy Noblitt and his wife Pamela are called upon much more by the recent attendees at SMART, which is probably because their research and data are both up to date and also impeccable.

In the three years I have attended, I have NEVER ONCE heard of lizard people, or alien abductions to make alien babies and such- and in fact, I thought it was a joke. Unlike Mesner, I have never heard of anyone AT THE SMART CONFERENCE talk about such things, although I must admit that personally this argument frustrates me because it is one that Col. Michael Aquino uses against Diane Niapolis and others who have gone against him claiming that he is a sadistic, child killing pedophile. Claiming that his victims are claiming this crazy crap about aliens diverts the argument away from what he is responsible for and puts it in a realm that is so outlandish that most just dismiss it, which IS ITS WHOLE INTENTION. Not to digress here though, my point is that in all the time I have spent at the SMART conference- never once in the past three years has this subject even come up- let alone been spoken about.

Claiming the same old bull that the False Memory Foundation claims about “Satanic Panic”, Mesner parrots the decades old argument that our nation’s problem with child abuse connected to Satanism was all due to a bunch of ninny’s who were following their therapists who were claiming that children were being abused, even though this argument- in black and white- makes no sense to me at all. Therapy- esp. back then- had a stigma about it, and- at least here in Omaha- to assert that all of the complaints stemmed from therapists is about as off base as you can get- esp. considering that the kids were coming home with STDs, and even now the psychiatry system in Nebraska heavily lacks funds. To argue that every parent in the nation who made a complaint about their children being abused and connecting it to satanic practices was being manipulated by a therapist is also absurd, esp. considering that the media reports that were being made at the time either downplayed the situation, or outright ridiculed the whole thing. Geraldo and his fiasco with a satanic family that was a no show was the crescendo of this media manipulation, and afterwards- anyone who even spoke about satanic ritual abuse were in fear of legal repercussions, not to mention the therapists that treated them.

Mesner argues all kinds of points in his paper that mean absolutely nothing, but if you read between the lines, (and it is pretty blatant so it won’t take much work), what he doesn’t want people to consider is that our government, who was guilty of secretly conducting MKUltra experiments on people for over a decade or more, continued on with the project just like before, in secret. As such, many of us have gone through incredible trauma, which has caused many psychological problems in all of our lives. Mesner suggests that DID is caused by severe sexual abuse, and tries to discredit it completely- but it was my experience that the sexual abuse was the easy part. It was the being part in murders of both animals and other children that caused the breaking point in most of the victims of DID, which was THE WHOLE POINT OF THE PROGRAM, so of course it would be the first thing that proponents of the False Memory Foundation would fight against. In other words, those in power who were guilty of trying to cause DID are also the ones who went on a crusade to say that this condition is fictitious, in order to prevent anyone from actually going further and investigating what most survivors of DID report- that their condition was caused by severe and systematic extreme abuse, often connected with the government and/or a group of Satanists.

I have no delusions of Satan, nor have I ever “inter-dimensionally conjured up a demon” of any sort, nor have I ever met anyone else who has claimed to do such- esp. at the SMART conferences. Most of the conversations are about healing, and how each one of us is doing within the context of that personal journey that we were all set upon by our abuse. Trying to learn from other’s experiences, not only concerning the abuse of our pasts but also with the daily tribulations of being such a survivor in today’s world, we join up once a year to glean what we can from each other in order to acquire the tools and support we need to live our lives healthily and happily even with the knowledge that what has happened to us is happening to others around the world, and it is because of the disinfo that people like Doug Mesner puts out there that helps make all of this possible.

Tearing at my therapist won’t work with my relating what happened in my past in that I brought my memories to my therapist and not the other way around. I have never had nor do I ever intend to go through “regression therapy” or “guided imagery therapy” and the five times in my life that I went to a hypnotist I found it to be nothing more than a relaxing technique, helping to calm my nerves rather than retrieving anything that might be hidden. Like I said, very little of my past was repressed, neither by me nor by my siblings- it was just that nothing could be done so it was always considered better left unspoken. Not that I remember everything with exact detail thirty/forty years later- esp. considering that I was a child at the time, and I went through my own drugging and severe torture, but I know enough- esp. being involved with things later as an adult- that I don’t need anyone to validate my past. Esp. people like Doug Mesner, who has an outspoken agenda against any who would speak in support of those claiming they went through MKUltra’s mind control program, or endured satanic ritual abuse or systematic ritual abuse by the hands of our government and our elite.

Mesner is nothing more than a False Memory crusader, and considering as much time and energy that he has put in, not only going to and trashing the SMART conference continuously but also hitting the reviews on Amazon and attacking anyone who would defend DID, (which is Dissociative Identity Disorder- once called Multiple Personality Disorder), the question as to why comes to mind, as the history between Mesner and Brick has been almost stalker-ish. Relentless in his attack on Brick, Mesner has proven himself to be strongly against the idea of anyone considering our nation’s history with abuse, and the question again becomes why. Instead of listening to Mesner trash the SMART conference, I, for one, would be interested in why Douglas Mesner is so consumed with such a drive? And who are HIS associates?

http://www.examiner.com/article/nightmare-psychiatry-delusions-of-satan-et-abduction-and-the-cultivation-of-false-memories

Here are four pictures- two of my brother Stephen and one of Jacob Wetterling’s abductor along with a pic of my father for comparison. Notice that the hair is parted and combed the same way as my father’s toupee, and the artist even got my father’s attitude in the picture that he drew. It is coincidences like this that make me wonder why the police- such as Nebraska State Patrol deputy John Pankonin, aren’t more interested in this case. Even if it isn’t THEIR case to investigate- I guess that police people don’t talk to each other- since no referral on this case has been made.

If you recognize these pictures as men being involved with crimes, will you please get a hold of me at davidshurter1@gmail.com please? Thanks so much.

I have detailed before that my brother Stephen was a photographer, both in the armed forces, as well as when he returned to civilian life. However, I never realized how close he was to the events that played out in 1975 with Senator Frank Church- who was a democrat from Idaho. Frank Church is important because he is the one who tried to get MKUltra exposed back in 1975 during hearings conducted by the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

My older sister told me recently that Frank Church and my brother Stephen are connected in that the official picture that Frank Church used during his life and career was taken by none other than my brother. Although my brother died a broken and alone drug addict and alcoholic, he was a gifted photographer and again, due to the fact that he returned from the service with a portfolio full of pictures of dead people and graves and because I know he was involved as a photographer in the Franklin Credit mess, I am curious to know if the collection of satanic ritual child porn found on Larry King in Ocean City Maryland could be my brother’s trophy pictures.

I find it interesting though how close, once again, my family has involved itself when it comes to trying to expose this mess. I wonder if the man in front of the camera ever realized how close he was to a true victim of the mess, in that my brother was groomed to be part of the cult as were myself and all my older siblings. But it is quite a coincidence indeed that my brother was involved in such a way- knowing what he did.

I have said before that I have no evidence, but that is not all together true, as I was given pictures of my brother by my oldest sister right before she ended up dead, which are what I used when five different people ID’d him at a private function in Florida regarding the abducted child Johnny Gosch, although I have been corrected in that it was in Tampa, and not Miami that this occurred. Making a complete idiot out of himself, which was usual, he made quite an impression from what I understand and almost ran people down in order to get out of there before Noreen spoke. Yet again another connection my family has with all of this mess, I have often wondered exactly what my brother, who at that time was dying of Hep C and a homeless alcoholic, was trying to accomplish showing up as he did- and how exactly did he find out about a conference that was supposedly supposed to be private? Finally coming to believe that it is connected to the phone call Noreen told me she received from my dad right before he died, I am pretty certain that my brother and step mother wanted to know what he had told Noreen about the circumstances surrounding her son’s disappearance.

Lastly, I want to impress that although I do not trust any of the people officially connected to the Franklin Credit scandal, I do have to say that Rusty Nelson claiming their were two photographers is quite possible, as my brother had the same scruffy unkempt dirty look that Rusty did, and they looked remarkably similar to each other. Also, considering that I know that my brother once had a vast array of child porn in his private portfolio collection- it is yet another reason why I highly suspect that my family was heavily involved in the abductions that were occurring all over the Midwest at the time.

First, before I go any further, I would like to warn people that I am about to write could be very triggering, as I wish to go into some of the things that happened to me during my MKUltra exposure as a child, and it might be painful for those who have also gone through such things to read. This post is spurred by an email I received this morning and I am choosing to share some of that correspondence and answer publicly some of the questions in order to help the majority of people understand where I am coming from.

This was the part of the email I would like to address:

“I was wondering if you could potentially describe the type of rituals you had under gone. I found this really good website that describes what Project Monarch is, as well as detailed information as to who gets “chosen” and how it all works. I would like to compare and contrast your experiences with those found in this detailed report. I was also curious to know if you are able to provide the names of the Satanic group you were forced to be a part of,that your father was a high priest for. Also, do you have any photographs (or know where I can view some) of Hummel and Forest Lawn at the time these event were taking place (60s-80s). In one of your YouTube videos you mentioned “the Devil’s Head”. I know of Devil’s Slide and am curious to know what it looked like in those days.

Of course I still have a lot more research to undergo before I completely understand, but I was wondering how SRA at Hummel Park and Forest Lawn ties in exactly with the Franklin Credit Union scandal. If MKUltra and Project Monarch are government experiments involving the occult, what does that have to do with kidnappings, and child trafficking, and drugs?”

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First off, from my research, there was never an official program called the Monarch project. A man by the name of Ron Patton has a paper on the web about the Monarch project- and I have found a lot of that info to be spot on, but the name itself is not anything but a diversion from the true culprit, and that is MKUltra. You also have to understand that the satanism that was being practiced here in Omaha, although it was fashioned to be part of the MKUltra experience, stood alone and actually came well before any MKUltra experiments. In fact, my older siblings don’t remember ANYTHING AT ALL about Offutt Air Force Base, which was where all of the experiments were taking place, which is the biggest difference between my older siblings abuse and my own, being 13 years younger than the youngest of them.

I personally think that is was my father’s Jewish heritage that linked us to the cult, as the abuse that has run through my family has been concurrent and generational, and we are just a generation off from being raised Jewish. Not that I believe that all Jews are satanists, nor am I saying that it was only Jewish people involved in my abuse, because there were Catholics involved, Christians, Jews- in fact it transcended all religions and really the only common denominator connecting the members was money and power. However, I believe that it was our Jewish heritage that kept us involved with this group- that and my parents were willing to sell off us children for sex at a drop of the hat, as there was a HUGE market for underage sex going on at the time.

As far as the operations that were going on at Offutt, some of my abuse consisted of, what I refer to, as a spin program. Like what has been shown on television about how they train astronauts with a machine that spins them around over and over, the difference was that they were adults and my abuse started right after conception. Another form of abuse was electrical torture, as they fit apparatuses in my mouth and on my genitals that ran an electric current through my body. Sensory deprivation was also used, not only in large tanks full of water, but also in occupied caskets buried underground. (In fact, putting children in caskets with dead people and burying them alive was a favorite of the group). Experiments that consisted of extreme periods with light and dark were also used, as well as using flashing lights like a strobe. All of this was, I believe, attempts to break me down and it’s intentions lied with child soldering and the hopes of developing infallible, highly lethal toys who could be sent out into the battle field and expected to perform miraculously. Or that is what I was told anyway.

The satanic stuff is separate from the MKUltra stuff in that it was first, and has a long long history way before the military applications became available. Just as some will say they can commune with Jesus Christ, this group believed that it could commune with fallen angels, and human sacrifices were often called for in order to do this. The reason why I believe that some have desperately tried to join the two together is because the validity of MKUltra has been established, whereas the satanic history is still deep within the confines of conspiracies, and I think that there are some who use the belief that satanism is bogus to help soften the impact of MKUltra and the fact that our government was, and probably still is, performing secret and immoral experiments on common citizens without the country being aware of it. However, I also believe that it is only a matter of time before this all becomes common knowledge as well.

As far as the name of the group my parents were involved with- I was never given it. Nor was I ever introduced to my abusers, nor was anything ever explained to me as a child. I have had to go back into my own memories and try to put all of this together- but I want to reiterate that I was little more than a piece of meat, and no explanations were ever given for anything that happened. At best, the only thing that was explained to me was the parameters of the games we were to play-as it was always presented as a game. Children died in the most horrible ways- and yet, to many of my abusers, it was just simply all a game.

I have no pictures nor any concrete physical proof of any kind. When I left my father’s house three days after graduating, I left with one suitcase and the clothes on my back and nothing more. I have tried to go back and look for pictures at the time, but have not been successful as of yet. As far as the Devils Head becoming the Devils slide- the reason why this occurred is because the area was deforested in order to make a lookout point way back when. Even now- when you go to Hummel Park- both areas adjacent to the area are densely forested with trees and shrubs, and it is only due to the fact that this area was cleared and has gone through serious erosion in the decades that it was created that made it into a slide rather than a peak.

Lastly, the connection to MKUltra and kidnapping, child trafficking, and drugs is that these three components help PAY for all of the experiments and man power that was needed. Of course, considering the money that each of these factions make, one could also assume that these practices are helping pay for nefarious activities all over the world, and it is not just limited to the MKUltra experiments. Billions of dollars are being made on these black markets, and it is this income that is helping to fund secret things like CIA prison camps all over the world and such. As far as the money one can make, take the child trafficking for example.

You get a child, beat them into submission, then sell that child over and over making huge profits daily for as long as you can sex the child out. Then when that child is no longer desirable, you either sell them into slavery or you kill them and film their death, making 50,000 or more on the snuff film. Then, you take that child, cut them up, and sell their organs on the black market- where there is a huge demand for human organs. Each of these practices live in the shadows, but has prospered by the billions throughout the years, and are well known to be still in existence today. It is this that I am desperately trying to fight.

I hope this answered some questions, and I just ask to keep the questions coming and I’ll deal with them as best as I can accordingly.