I am posting this group of Amazon arguments since Amazon won’t let me defend myself on their website- although they allow me to be bashed continuously. I felt that this group of exchanges is important- and so I wanted to put it on my blog for posterity. I am NOT the only one who got banned- as Gaston, Douglas, Jennet Bartha, and even CritThink over and over have been banned all along- it is just that Critthink keeps making changes to his/her account and signs back on with a different name. I wont play such games. However, it is obvious that this group needs to create as much hoopla as they can- and so I thought I would help them by putting the stuff on my blog for them for the world to see.)

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Posted on Aug 20, 2013 11:02:12 AM PDT

ac2012 says:
Felicity Lee: “Oh….. we need ‘proof’ here -”

Yeah, that’s kinda how accusing someone of mass child molestation and murder works. It requires ‘proof’, not the conviction of your belief based on what you read in 22 Faces.

Felicity Lee: “but, on the book ‘Sybil Exposed’, you all swear that every word written by an incompetent and agenda driven journalist is ALL true without being able to present a shred of evidence.”

Haven’t mentioned Sybil Exposed or Debbie Nathan, because I haven’t read it. I’d tend to trust her professionalism and logic more than yours or Byington’s – see Karmakazes post below on how she used credible first hand sources. You do seem to have a special hate for Debbie Nathan, don’t you?

Felicity Lee: “Well, here we a book written by the author – taken from first hand accounts of Jenny –

Take your own advise and do your own research.”

We see on the Dr. Phil show Jenny stating the she knew nothing about a mind-control Nazi. So ‘first hand account of Jenny’ is highly suspect. No doubt Byington explains this away as an alter and a repressed or twisted memory, a convenient mechanism for Byington to weave and support her own ridiculous fan-fiction inspired by Corydon Hammond.

Give me passports, credible eyewitnesses, court records, property records, receipts and physical evidence of Dr. greenbaum’s proximity to Jenny Hill (never mind his actual existence).

Felicity Lee: “And, quite frankly – my dear – my personal thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are just that – MINE.”

Uh huh. They’re YOURS and that’s what – A basis to accuse people of vile crimes? Good enough to imprison innocents?

Felicity Lee: “It is another ‘skeptic’ type of attack – as if ‘you’ have the power to ’cause’ people to think people who believe any of this are not credible?”

The evidence (or lack thereof) stands on its own. It doesn’t require ‘me’ (ugh, now I’m overusing single quote marks), and of course I have no power to make people believe something they don’t want to.

” – ac2012 – Aleister Crowley2012 – I get that profile name – good fit.”

Oh, this again! Cry witch, Goody Lee, and the pitchforks shall follow!

Felicity Lee: “Yes, I am realistic. You have no power here. Your pointing out whatever you can find in this book – out of context – in a lame attempt for others to judge people by their beliefs only demonstrates that those very small and out of context statements are ALL you have to try to silence this book – not much at all – when you take a look at the list.”

Um, the list is only the surface. They’re the most glaring and obvious problems with 22 Faces. And yeah, that list is more than enough to deem 22 Faces a worthless crock.

Felicity Lee: “the list actually demonstrated your inability to objectively review written work, you ignorance and/or knowledge of cultural/ritual/spiritual life – as well as you prejudices.”

I’m fairly well-read and knowledgeable on spiritual/ritual/cultural matters. I’m pretty sure I can objectively examine a claim in 22 Faces. I’ll admit to being biased against raving lunatic conspiracy thought, but as I’ve said many times, give me solid evidence to the contrary and I’m happy to admit error.

Felcity Lee: “It is not your business what others believe or think.”

Crimes are a public concern. If Judy Byington believes a mass governmental Freemason satanic murder cult is roving the land, she’s perfectly entitled to believe it – she IS NOT ENTITLED TO HAVING IT GO UNQUESTIONED OR UNCHALLENGED. If Judy Byington wants me to believe Jenny Hill’s parents have been involved in their crimes and should be jailed, it IS MY BUSINESS as a US citizen. I have an interest in our justice system working properly and protecting abuse victims and the falsely accused.

You’re trying to equate 22 Faces with a religious belief. That makes zero sense.

Felicity Lee: ” well, what about the rest of the book – huh? “You have been here nearly a year and have talked about only this small list – I will take it that the rest of the book is great”

See above. That list is enough to deem 22 faces invalid. And there’s much better horror fiction out there, so if ‘the rest of the book’ means writing style, plot, characterization, themes – sorry, not my cuppa, but you go ahead and enjoy it.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 11:06:46 AM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
There goes the spinning again – not effective enough with just CT/Altus/sock puppets, we now have Karmakaze – cohort and Doug Mesner follower of Satanic Temple – sidekick.

CT – needing some help spinning these ‘pink elephants’ –

Reality-check – I asked for just one copy of anything from those 500+ sources listed in the book by Nathan – and, guess what – you all could not even produce ONE – not very convincing – that book is a fraud.

You all are hypocrites – thinking that you can con us into believing that book does not need to have ‘evidence’ produced, but this one does – that author – Debbie Nathan has such a long history of her ‘past’ inconsistencies and her agenda – we are supposed to ignore that – and, attend to this author and the slander that you have no evidence of either – except what you have tried to exploit.

You all are too much –

I think that they readers can make their own conclusion based on what they read and not what you all have to say – all we know about you all is that you come here and on other books as alias’ and try to influence what people think based on your agenda’s – so, like we are supposed to believe ‘you all’ as ‘skeptics’ – why? You come with gossip, slander, agendas, and are vindictive toward anyone who makes logical sense.

You are clearly threatened by accepting the truth.

Truth is – and, one day you will realize – all of us are ‘not’ your enemy. I, for instance, am simply a person who tries to do what I can to support survivors of child abuse and promote truth concerning trauma and dissociation. I am one who is a survivor of childhood trauma – and, as I see you all, you have somehow come to believe that child abuse is either not ‘real’ in our society or you are trying to hide the fact that it is a real problem for purposes of allowing it to continue unchecked. This angers me – as children go missing daily, survivors struggle because of what abusers have done to them – unable to get quality care – because of the garbage you and other ‘false memory advocates’ have spread. If what you write contained even an ounce of truth – we could have an intellectual discussion, but you are ignorant or hiding the truth – and, we can only suspect why. You want to discredit me and other survivors – attacking, slandering – accusing us of being something whom we aren’t – why?

Are you seeing a problem here? I am ‘no one’ who you think I am.

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CritThink says:
Nope. You’re not my enemy. You’re the enemy of women like Jenny Hill. Vulnerable people who pay you for your lies.

Team up with a man, Kevin Annett, who reabuses the sexually abused and give this man access to the women of Ivory Garden through Judy’s influence and on Judy’$ CAR website (which she has posted about here) where you are a speaker. Try and get women to live in even more fear so that you can “help” them.

This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them

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BlueMoon says:
CritThink,

Felicity explained to you that she and certain other customers here that believe you’ve been attacking, slandering, harassing and bullying them, are not your enemies as a means to try to appease and calm you down, And your response to that is to write: “None. You’re not my enemy. You’re the enemy of women like Jenny Hill. Vulnerable people who pay you for your lies.”????? Really? This is really your response to an olive branch being extended to you?

In one breath you claim you’re not Felicity’s enemy, but also sting her with a vile false claim. What’s up with that?

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 1:24:54 PM PDT
BlueMoon says:
Felicty wrote: I, for instance, am simply a person who tries to do what I can to support survivors of child abuse and promote truth concerning trauma and dissociation. I am one who is a survivor of childhood trauma.”

I can see from many of your comments that this is who you are, and I applaud you for all of this, Felicity.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 1:32:44 PM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
Wrong again, CT – I am not an ‘enemy’ to anyone – even though you ‘perceive’ me that way.

What is a CAR website – I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a ‘speaker’ anywhere. More spinning and lying from you – again.

I am not ‘teamed up’ with anyone – and, you know that as you expressed clearly on Randi.org many months ago –

You say, “This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them.”

Wow – I had no idea that you gave this book that much credit – pretty powerful book – in your mind. I read it as a simple story of a woman’s experiences – hmmm.

And, I have a ‘coalition’ – really – wow, I am also powerful – in your mind. A clear threat to you and your need to protect and defend those ‘innocents’ who are accused of child abuse.

I say that “my personal thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are just that – MINE”.

ac2012 responds, “They’re YOURS and that’s what – A basis to accuse people of vile crimes? Good enough to imprison innocents?”

Now, we are getting somewhere. Here, we see the agenda – as my responses are now getting to the ‘supposed’ debate you believe you are ‘in’ here and are so obsessed with. What? Do you know a few folks out there imprisoned for child abuse or who were ‘falsely’ accused? And, based on those ‘few’ (as compared to the millions of children who ‘have/are being ‘ abused), you have concluded that all survivors and abused children ‘must be liars’ – and thus attack them ruthlessly – as you have here. When no evidence or facts – just make stuff up – right?

You say, “Team up with a man, Kevin Annett, who reabuses the sexually abused and give this man access to the women of Ivory Garden through Judy’s influence and on Judy’$ CAR website (which she has posted about here) where you are a speaker. Try and get women to live in even more fear so that you can “help” them.”

Those are complete lies. Why do you need to lie about me – does it somehow justify your attacks on me and other survivors? Relieve your inner guilt that you are hurting others? I am just trying to understand the ‘whys’. Of course, my attorney tells me that trying to give a ‘reason’ for why people do horrible things is not necessary – libel is libel – end of story.

Are you actually telling me that ‘you’ all are here to protect the folks who participate on Ivory Garden – oh btw – the percentage of male and female there are about even – wrong again. And, how were you going to do that? By calling ‘survivors’ of child abuse liars – as if they are all out to destroy their abusers? You are ignorant – as usual.

I see this as you being a group of folks who are ‘not’ skeptics, but who have either been charged with child abuse or are afraid you might be – and/or have had family members/friends charged with child crimes. You are a very small, but now angry group here. I see you as folks who search the internet for anything that ‘meets’ your agenda.

I am not disagreeing with you. I am sure that there are folks who have been unjustly accused of child abuse – of course. And, that is horrible – when it happens.

What I don’t understand is why people like you want to give yourself that extra edge – though. Discrediting therapists – stating that they can actually ‘implant memories’, trying to influence jury pools by propagating that there is no such thing as this or that ‘type’ of child abuse – all the ‘false memory advocates’ promote – like Debbie Nathan, writing a book trying to ‘prove’ that the ‘Sybil’ story has no truth – that Jenny’s story is untrue – access her family to influence them that she was never abused – all of these lies you tell. Why do you need this ‘extra edge’, if folks are really ‘innocents’. It sounds like you are ‘running scared’.

I mean, I have faith that good therapists are able to and do evaluate clients knowing if their stories are ‘true’ or not – and, in fact – in trials of child abuse, the defense will use their own therapist to help defend (those who call themselves ‘experts’ in DID, or ‘false memory syndrome therapists. Of course, FMSF therapists are not accused of ‘implanting memories’ – how hypocritical are we getting now. None of it makes sense – except that not all are so innocent as you believe.

As for survivors – you cannot be trusted. You cannot ‘help’ anyone – because, you are biased and agenda driven. You ‘do’ nothing – but, talk a lot – and try to ‘influence’.

Look what you are doing now – trying to get your hands on some 1,000 survivors – so you can what? Save them from ‘me’ – because I am ‘grooming’ them and taking advantage of them? Sorry – hon – these folks are strong as me – they ‘are’ survivors – if I were taking advantage of anyone, it would not be a secret – I am sure that you would have found some sign of this through your trolling.

So, now – again, I ask that you stop lying about me – because, it makes you look like fools –

Do you really believe the hogwash you have drowned this page in?

The system needs to be set up where the ‘abusers’ get a fair trial – those who are innocent, go home – those who are guilty are put away. The system needs to be set up where survivors and victims are not silenced for fear they will be called ‘liars’, or that good therapists will ‘implant memories in their brain’ or, for gosh sakes, ‘create’ alters – where the public has access to ‘correct’ information about trauma and dissociation – not garbage propagated by those who profit from defending child abusers.

Fact is that most survivors do not ever ‘accuse’ their abusers at all. They are just trying to heal from the harm done to them.

What is wrong with you people? You are so threatened that you will actually argue the points that I have made – *shrugs*

Now, we have a discussion – why are you so threatened by this book and/or me/survivors?

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BlueMoon says:
CritThink wrote: “This book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims so that you and your cohalition can take advantage of them.”

Why couldn’t you have just written, “I believe this book 22 Faces is fear mongering to groom victims and take advantage of them”, instead of what you did post?

This would have been an opinion I could and would have respected, had you written that. I wouldn’t have agreed with it, but it would have been seen as your opinion, without offending or wounding other customers of Amazon.com, and without provoking others to have to defend themselves. Perhaps you should reconsider how you respond to comments you read, or how you express yourself in general? It’s just a thought, CritThink, and the choice is yours, of course.

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Posted on Aug 20, 2013 1:56:26 PM PDT
ac2012 says:
Felcity Lee: “And, based on those ‘few’ (as compared to the millions of children who ‘have/are being ‘ abused), you have concluded that all survivors and abused children ‘must be liars'”

I have come to no such conclusion. I have never made any such statement. You are making that up.

Felicity Lee: “- and thus attack them ruthlessly – as you have here.”

Please show where I have attacked survivors and abused children. I have never done so and never would.

Felicity Lee: “When no evidence or facts – just make stuff up – right?”

That seems to work for you and Judy Byington.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 2:55:52 PM PDT
Felicity Lee says:
ac2012 – are you actually stating that you – and/or your cohorts/sockpuppets – Karmakaze/CritThink/Doug Mesner (Lucien Greaves) have NEVER attacked (slandered, invaded their privacy, lied about them, called them names, etc) survivors here or elsewhere on the web? Really – on this page, right here, I could list at least 25 examples, I can give even more explicit examples of here on Amazon – if not still here (not removed by Amazon) – screenshots, and elsewhere on the web. You are standing by this example of ‘running scared’ statement you just wrote – “Please show where I have attacked survivors and abused children. I have never done so and never would.”

If you are concluding that I only meant you – well – you have, but the response was to all of you – and, you know it. You are no better than the rest of them – you consort with them to find ways to come here and attack – just like all abusers do – you know that.

I actually think that I have quite an extensive list already made from about 6 months ago when I was asked to provide it.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 2:58:19 PM PDT

Felicity Lee says:
ac2012

You wrote, “That seems to work for you and Judy Byington.”

Is that what is considered a ‘snide’ remark?

I agree with Bluemoon – why was that so necessary for you to write? All it does is demonstrate you middle school attitude and inability to carry on any semblance of an intelligent discussion.

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Felicity Lee says:
BlueMoon,

Thank you – they have me like doing all of this stuff with all of these people whom I don’t even know – what?

How the heck am I supposed to have time for all of that. If I weren’t such a fast typist, I wouldn’t have time to come here.

I mean, I work, have a family, crochet and do crafts, have a house/yard, etc. to care for, an active message board to run – sheesh – they might perceive me as ‘super-woman’, but not really. With what I do now, I only have time for about 4 hours sleep – and, now they have me actually flying somewhere – not sure about all that stuff – just speed read – don’t have time to attend to their details.

Wow – if I did believe anything they say, I would now be a Satanist and an incredible ‘multi-tasker

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BlueMoon says:
ac2012 wrote: “Please show where I have attacked survivors…”

I don’t believe anyone is interested in re-posting the attacking comments they’ve received from you, those comments don’t deserve anymore attention then what they’ve gotten already. Nice try, though, ac2012.

As I’ve suggested to CritThink recently, perhaps you should reconsider how you respond to comments you read, or how you express yourself in general? It’s just a thought, ac2012, and the choice is yours, of course.

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BlueMoon says:
Felicity wrote: BlueMoon, Thank you -…. “Wow – if I did believe anything they say, I would now be a Satanist and a true ‘multiple.”

You’re welcome, Felicity, and I understand what you’re saying here. Stay strong in knowing who you are. : )

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Karmakaze says:
Felicity Lee says: <>

I can’t speak for ac2012, since that user is NOT me (or Doug Mesner, or CritThink, or anyone other him/herself), but YES, that is exactly what I am stating.

I have never attacked (slandered, invaded their privacy, lied about them, called them names, etc) survivors here or elsewhere on the web. Your “examples” show only that you’re incapable of understanding what an *attack* actually is.

And since you seem to need a reminder, it was you and your cohort who DID invade someone’s privacy by posting his full address and phone number here on Amazon, while accusing that person of being/”protecting” pedophiles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/6789/obnf.jpg

(Gaston- who this was aimed at- was alson ONE OF THEM WHO GOT THROWN OFF AMAZON AND BANNED. It wasn’t just me who was fighting on here. and like I said- I just Googled his name and that is what came up. )

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CritThink says:
I was there that night. Felicity was urging the party along. She even declared it was not a violation…she checked. In addition David was supplied that info, which appears it had to be purchased…hmm.

Felicity…you ‘should’ get more sleep as both screen names are lapsing into the same voice…at least BM sounded a little different before, now it’s the same sentence construction and tone from both names. It’s the let me set the rules on conduct BS you’ve tried before. Ivory Garden tactics feeding over? Just don’t let BM start using ‘these’…then we’ll know you’re really losing sleep.

Again- not purchased like Critthink- Doug Mesner would like to suggest- but suddenly after all of this- MY address suddenly appeared on Google- which makes me wonder if this group didn’t put it up there like the BANNED Gaston)

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Karmakaze says:
BlueMoon says: << Felicity's name doesn't appear anywhere in the images, therefore, >>

Please, Felicity was encouraging the whole thing and bragging about the “research” she herself was doing:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6536/nrz0.jpg

edit: looking at the screenshot, it’s sad how little has changed – you and Felicity are still creating diversions, trying hard to stifle any discussion of this book by making the same ridiculous accusations.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 10:56:55 PM PDT

Felicity Lee says:
Wow, you folks are amazing – wasn’t I the one just speaking – was it my turn? I agree with BlueMoon – you say that ‘we’ are creating ‘diversions’ – really – and, you put up one little incident – out of context – as usual – out of thousands of posts I have made and keeping my cool through all of your attacks. Same strategy of picking a few sentences from 22 Faces – and, acting as if they ‘are’ the whole book. That is really tacky and lacks intellectual thought.

You remember the playground talk – the bully who can’t take responsibility and diverts attention from their crimes on to some poor victim. yeah – you know about them – don’t you -K?

Now, shall we talk about the attacks you have laid on me – K? You in particular – I mean, people can view this past week alone – here, but have they heard about your intrusion into my grandchild’s life – you – a man having some reason to find a facebook linked to my family – which I have had to have removed, because you invaded my family’s privacy – and published a video of my granddaughter – one which had been played through – one where she was dancing (13 yo) and, that is not an attack? I was shocked and upset – seeing how you protect child abusers – yikes – and, her family was even more upset and scared for their daughter. You said that because it was public – that was your right. The thing is that you have no right to invade my private life and publish it – and, I can put up screenshots – yes – Amazon did delete all of that, because it is against their TOS to publish people’s personal stuff – and, you broke copyright by posting information from our board – wow – that all had something to do with this book -didn’t it?

I am not here to argue with you – you will find anyway to divert attention to you all -as if you are the ‘good guys’ –

Tell me – exactly what do you ‘consider’ an attack?

Can you think of any more attacks – K – . This is a contest – isn’t it – I mean, I don’t know – I am feeling a bit like the victim right now. You have all been asked to think before you respond – but, you can’t – can you?

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